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Title: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 04, 2021, 11:00:06 PM: (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51226614455_ca4a0d3203_5k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m3HMLB)20210604_172621[1] (https://flic.kr/p/2m3HMLB) by Chris Conrad (https://www.flickr.com/photos/137682296@N04/), on Flickr

I'm looking back, and it's been 7 YEARS since we last did this.

Here are the links:

http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?topic=13916.0

http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?topic=12663.0

Last September, Kate and I celebrated our anniversary in the U.P. and we stayed at the campground we honeymooned at in 2001. This time, though, we looked up the Earl of Duke's Road - and a fine estate the seldom seen one oversees it is.

I expressed my frustration in getting the new motor running right, and he said something to the effect of, "You're doing something nobody's ever done before - don't be so hard on yourself."

In a way, he's right - there certainly aren't a lot of de-stroked MG/Rover K-Series engines out there, and mine's the only one I'm aware of that bolts up to a stock Spridget bellhousing.

But I'm not alone in this project, and when it comes to small-bore Brit-trash engines, Fordboy's the ace. So while I've incurred the fiscal expense of making this 1K-K, this is equally as much Mark's baby as it is mine.

What's obvious is that we needed to get the engine into the dyno and get the fuel map and ignition sorted - it wasn't going to happen in my garage.

Anyways - I told Slim last fall that we WILL be putting the Midget back on the salt, and we WILL be doing another fundraising Dynothon for the website.

An that's what this is!

I've got a few comments on the Midget Build Diary that I'm going to move over to this thread, but the idea is this:

This site is funded by the generous donations of those who use it. But it's not cheap to maintain, and this is a fun opportunity for us to help keep this site going.

Provided things go as planned, we will be posting up our horsepower figures on Monday, Tuesday and probably Wednesday night.

I'm asking each of you to commit to an amount-per-horsepower contribution to the site. Top number multiplied by whatever-amount-you-committed-to will be your contribution to the fastest website on the planet.

I'll print photographic evidence of our exploits, and now that I've figured out the GoPro app, I can set up the camera in the dynoroom and create our own episode of "BAY WATCH".

The next few posts are brought over from the Milwaukee Midget Build Diary - Please feel free to join in the fun by either encouraging or mocking us - but definitely by joining us and contributing.

THANKS TO EVERYONE!
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 04, 2021, 11:06:15 PM: Quote from: wheelrdealer on June 04, 2021, 09:42:07 PM
Chris:

I am in for $0.50 per HP.

BR

Quote from: Rex Schimmer on June 04, 2021, 06:33:31 PM
Chris,
So great to see that you and Ford Boy are at it again!! Looking forward to seeing you at WOS in September. I was there the time you set the record with the "tractor" engine. I will be getting in on the "Horse Power raffle" as soon as I do some numbers and check my bank account. I would really expect you to be on the north side of 150. As a note the one liter Kawasaki that Duke and I have in our car made 172 at the rear wheels and considering that it was through a transmission and a chain I would bet it would have been 200 at the crank flange.

Great you are back!!

Rex

Quote from: Stan Back on June 04, 2021, 05:13:50 PM
Now, let me see . . .

I only have a 2020 Rule Book, but it says you have the I/GT record at 122. And the I/MGT record is a SAAB story at 127.

And how confident you must be that Fordboy is building the engine. Wow! Is the 2 Club far away? (The 132 Club.

I'm gonna have to do some calculation and join in the fun!

Quote from: Stainless1 on June 04, 2021, 10:28:16 AM
Chris good to see you back... alive and well... :cheers:
I'm in for $2 a HP for every one over a 100 to 125.... and $3 for every one over 125
Of course with a $25 minimum, but I have faith in your wallet and Mark's abilities...
Make me PAY guys... :cheers: :clap :cheers:

Quote from: jacksoni on June 04, 2021, 08:38:53 AM
Great to see you back, MM. I'm in for 0.50/

Step Right Up, Boyz!
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Queeziryder on June 05, 2021, 03:56:08 AM: Hiya Chris,
Good to see you posting again, and glad to hear that both You, Kate, and Mark are doing well :cheers:

Now for the important part;
Up to 110 BHP at $1.00 per HP
Over 110 BHP at $2.00 per HP

Best of luck
Neil
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: jacksoni on June 05, 2021, 11:03:05 PM: I've had second thoughts. Can't let Stainless show us up. $.50 for the first 125. $5/ after that.
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Stainless1 on June 06, 2021, 09:29:58 AM: No worries Jack... I reread what I wrote and realize I needed clarification... the minimum $25 is for the first 100 which I see as a given... the tractor motor made that... well almost... and the remainder is TBD. No one will be happier, well maybe Chris and Mark, if Rex is right and they get big numbers like a lot of motorcycle 1 liters do...
So folks... lurkers included... get in here... it is a fundraiser for the website that you are enjoying... you are committing to donate to your own education and enjoyment... This will help Jon (SSS) keep this resource alive... You can donate by goal ($25 if they break 100)... donate by per HP or both but just commit to donate... it's a fundraiser

Oh Stan... I moved yours over here by quoting it here :cheers:
Quote from: Stan Back on June 05, 2021, 02:34:04 PM
Okay, I think I got it now. Don't play any Shell Games with the numbers. No Shetland Ponies, either. Let's just keep it simple -- 5 Shillings times the Highest H.P. reached. Nearest I can figure it ought to be about $4.31 total (or $127.65) or {maybe $638.876 over the mean, and I do mean mean Yorkshire daily low temperature}.

Jon, you better stand outside and wait for the check in the mail. This could be substantial!

Stan
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Dr Goggles on June 07, 2021, 08:55:37 AM: Fifty cents a horse here.
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: salt27 on June 07, 2021, 11:04:17 AM: Quote from: Dr Goggles on June 07, 2021, 08:55:37 AM
Fifty cents a horse here.

Is that the Peugeot or Ford money you're puttin up? 8-)
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 07, 2021, 09:19:34 PM: (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51233358534_aa78c58446_5k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m4jmxQ)DSCN1285 (https://flic.kr/p/2m4jmxQ) by Chris Conrad (https://www.flickr.com/photos/137682296@N04/), on Flickr

Day one - no numbers.

For that, I'm a little mad at myself, but given that we've essentially removed a running engine and all of the accoutrements, electronics and plumbing from a poorly running race car, transported them 75 miles and got them to work AT ALL in the strange environment that is an engine bay, I know I gave it my best and I'm going to sleep well.

We'll get serious tomorrow.

Not that today's work wasn't serious - it just wasn't the fun part. Despite having the engine installed, the sundries took the better part of the day. Fordboy fabricated a really slick throttle arrangement and handled the plumbing. I assisted when we realized we needed to pull the thermostat - darn thing was installed 2 years ago and I'd forgotten all about it. That was one of those 10-minute jobs that always takes an hour, but it's done.

The electronics - that was all on me. Mark very wisely never even attempted to step into the cow pasture on that end of the meadow. Wiring is always best left to one mad scientist - and best to leave Inspector Kemp out of such decisions . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWdpquMUqOU

I created a firewall pass-through panel with Amphenol connectors that let me extract essentially the entire central nervous system of the Midget.

And while I labeled everything and took great pains to see that nothing was damaged, I did miss a pair of ground wires that left me scratching my head later in the afternoon when we were unable to get spark.

With help, I discovered my oversight, and we finally got it to fire up.

And for the first time, we got it to idle - something that I had NEVER been able to do with the engine in situ, so I'm going to call today a success.

Videos tomorrow - maybe tonight if my computer battery holds up.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51232582556_a08d9480ef_5k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m4fnSU)DSCN1284 (https://flic.kr/p/2m4fnSU) by Chris Conrad (https://www.flickr.com/photos/137682296@N04/), on Flickr
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 08, 2021, 02:26:06 PM: Day two - Lunch break.
Been fighting it this morning. Tommy's having a tough time trimming the injectors - they're large for this application. It'll run and then just croak while not adjusting a thing. Putting in a call to Holley.
Stay tuned.
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on June 08, 2021, 04:35:40 PM: Chris & FB, welcome back to the 'PROCESS'! :-P :cheers:
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 08, 2021, 09:59:12 PM: Quote from: WOODY@DDLLC on June 08, 2021, 04:35:40 PM
Chris & FB, welcome back to the 'PROCESS'! :-P :cheers:

Woody, I know of few people who understand the meaning of "process" better than you.

But Harold's quote both haunts and encourages me -

"Problems are almost always a sign of progress".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaC4SjHJEx0

And it's fair to say that not much happened today.

The K fired right up this morning, but every time Tommy tried to install a "learned table output" section from the datalog into the fuel map, the idle would either take off or the thing would die.

At about 10:00, I changed out the sparkplugs from the Iridium NGKs to a set of splitfires, but Tommy's not convinced the spark is 100% and questioned the dwell the program was putting into the ignition algorhythm. We continued to struggle until lunch, and I said I'd get us in the que on the Holley Helpline when we got back.

Part of the "Process" - beyond needing to confirm and be sure of every change we make along the way - is to wait our turn in line.

At 1:34 this afternoon, I called the Holley Hotline and listened to the Muzak - some predictably ponderous Tennesee blues guitar riffs with all the soul of a Kraftwerk composition - while Tom took care of other in-house issues at the shop. 20 minutes in, our phone-tech picked up and I handed the phone off to Tommy. The tech was in over his head and said he'd put us through to engineering - which put us on hold again. At 35:59, the Muzak mercifully went away - which indicated that the Holley Helpline had hung up on us.

I called them back at 2:13, scrolled through the menu and jumped back into the que. After two hand-offs, the advice we received said that a wasted spark set-up wouldn't work on our system. I thought that odd, because while the system hasn't worked particularily well, it was constructed with parts recommended two years ago by other folks at the same phone number - and it's not like we were unable to get the engine running.

The takeaway is this - The Midget's going to Bonneville this September. I've got a set of LS coils coming in either tomorrow or Thursday which we will use and see if it makes a difference.

Because this is the direction that the techs are most familiar with, it's my hope that by forking over the extra cash on an upgrade - and making the setup more like an LS - we'll be able to mine Holley's incomplete information datafield, rather than trying to find the one guy who knows how to make the system in place work correctly.

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Oh, and after 1:36:42, we never did find out what the dwell should be.
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Stainless1 on June 08, 2021, 10:34:32 PM: Quote from: Milwaukee Midget on June 08, 2021, 09:59:12 PM

Oh, and after 1:36:42, we never did find out what the dwell should be.

3.5 - 4.5ms.... D585 I think are less than 5.2... but I think you will be good at 4ish....
I'm on Motec, but that part shouldn't matter... 60lb injectors are hard to trim in a 1 liter... I'm moving to larger for fuel class.

OK boys... let's fish
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: jacksoni on June 09, 2021, 07:05:41 AM: Is there a users group or similar for the Holley system? Likely to get better/faster answers there. Or maybe try on Speedtalk or YB to see if any with experience that might help.
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: PorkPie on June 09, 2021, 08:07:11 AM: Chris.....be honest.....your phone run out of battery charge and the charger was lying at home :friday :friday :friday :friday
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: wheelrdealer on June 09, 2021, 09:23:27 AM: Should I change my wager to 50 cents for every minute you were on hold at the help line???? :-D

BR
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 10, 2021, 03:37:37 PM: Sorry for these delays - It's as though I'm tripping on the risers heading up a downward escalator.

Okay - new coil packs in place. Waiting to get some help here on the dyno, I'll check sequence and try to fire it up again.

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Quote from: Milwaukee Midget on June 04, 2021, 11:00:06 PM
"You're doing something nobody's ever done before - don't be so hard on yourself."
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 10, 2021, 06:04:00 PM: K - O - KAY

Finally got a smooth idle and a fuel map that doesn't look like the escarpments of the Badlands.

Not done yet - still more to do, and plenty of power sitting on the table, but this is DEFINATELY the fun part.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51238864261_06fe1d44c1_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m4Nzda)thumbnail_20210610_162951 (https://flic.kr/p/2m4Nzda) by Chris Conrad (https://www.flickr.com/photos/137682296@N04/), on Flickr

Post more when I get back to Beerhaven.
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Stan Back on June 10, 2021, 07:39:11 PM: Well, the only thing I can see is that the numbers at about 5280 are about equal. I guess everything's hooked up rite. Only double digits, so you may owe some of us some money.

A-B-C-D-E-F-G. Got it. Still can work it in my head. Thanking Hilborn and Mallory as I slip into the past.

Stan
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: fordboy628 on June 10, 2021, 09:15:30 PM: midget,

As per my K build notebook, Aka: Dunning-Kruger Resource Service

Bore: 75.5 mm (2.973")
Stroke: 55.5 mm (2.185")

Results in: 993.88 cc displacement

I added the US based inch sizing for those who do NOT speak Metric: SuperFlow, etc, among others. Included, but also not limited to: Goldfish/Vikingboy Take your pick.

Where is timing now? Suspect it needs more than what is in it. Although, need to get the fuel curve sorted first.

cromag

Mr. (formerly Captain) Obvious
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 10, 2021, 10:52:51 PM: Not done yet, but what was accomplished today was this -

A. Installed a completely new set of coils and reconfigured our ignition parameters
2. Corrected a cam sensor parameter error
d. Actually tweeked it so it would idle - imagine that . . ., AND
7. Made some preliminary pulls that brought us up to almost the power of the Grenade.

Considering where we were on Tuesday, today was a relief.

This thing REALLY wants to rev.

More to come - Mark will be on deck Friday morning.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51239191816_70230bbc58_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m4QfzE)fuelmap (https://flic.kr/p/2m4QfzE) by Chris Conrad (https://www.flickr.com/photos/137682296@N04/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51238437442_af63ae429d_5k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m4Lokd)d (https://flic.kr/p/2m4Lokd) by Chris Conrad (https://www.flickr.com/photos/137682296@N04/), on Flickr
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: salt27 on June 10, 2021, 11:48:05 PM: Quote from: Dr Goggles on June 07, 2021, 08:55:37 AM
Fifty cents a horse here.

OK, I'll match James, fifty cents a horse here too.

Wait, are those Ausie cents or USofA cents? :wink:
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: floydjer on June 11, 2021, 02:04:25 PM: Have to support SJF...I'm in for $1 per h.p.
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: fordboy628 on June 11, 2021, 04:42:01 PM: OK, panic over, found my Milwaukee Midget BMC/Rover Build shop notebook.

Has the "enlightenment" you seek.

Funny thing . . . . turned up in the last place I looked! ! !

:dhorse:
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 11, 2021, 06:57:27 PM: Earlier, I commented that i felt as though I was "tripping on the risers heading up a downward escalator."

Well, I definitely skinned my shins on it this morning.

I was running a compression check. I had the spark plugs out in order to save the battery and wear-n-tear on the starter.

Now normally when I have the plugs out, I put the boots back in place in order to prevent anything from falling into the cylinders.

I started with the "1" hole, and then jumped to the "4", the "3" and lastly the "2".

I had nothing in my hand except the compression checker.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51240151017_a39de8e9d5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m4VaHB)compcheck (https://flic.kr/p/2m4VaHB) by Chris Conrad (https://www.flickr.com/photos/137682296@N04/)

Note the arrow pointing to the plastic/rubber button extender for the Schrader valve. After checking # "2", I went to relieve the pressure and noticed that it was missing.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51240860306_601db124d1_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m4YNyJ)gauge (https://flic.kr/p/2m4YNyJ) by Chris Conrad (https://www.flickr.com/photos/137682296@N04/)

Nope - wasn't on the floor - wasn't in the catch basin under the motor - wasn't inconveniently lodged in the nest of wires that are the EFI/Ignition bundles.

No - it was wedged between the exhaust valve and the seat of the 2nd exhaust valve in the "1" hole - further compressed and wedged by the piston crashing into it.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51241628814_6908b128a1_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m53K1S)pos (https://flic.kr/p/2m53K1S) by Chris Conrad (https://www.flickr.com/photos/137682296@N04/)

With the artistry and acumen of a dentist and an accompanying dental hygienist, Mark was able to fish it out through the exhaust while I was able to blow compressed air through the sparkplug hole.

A cylinder that was giving us ~200 psi was now barely giving us 150. A double check of the lash indicated a bent valve.

Fortunately, when Mark did the flow work on the head, lo these many moons ago, he kept a spare set of valves in reserve.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51240150987_160a5b70ae_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m4VaH6)head (https://flic.kr/p/2m4VaH6) by Chris Conrad (https://www.flickr.com/photos/137682296@N04/)

The head is off.

There's simply nobody to blame but myself. I KNOW BETTER than to leave holes open like that. I got in a hurry to start tweaking up the dyno numbers, and that turned around and bit me solidly in the toush.

I've always shared the good, the bad, and the ugly on this build. Both successes and problems have been witnessed here, and being a human project, one should accept human-related downfalls.

I've usually been able to forgive myself on the stupid stuff - but this one has just about taken it all out of me.

Let's see how it comes back together. Can't do anything until Monday, anyway. I'll keep everyone posted.
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: manta22 on June 11, 2021, 07:01:59 PM: Think positive, Chris. At least you found it.
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: floydjer on June 11, 2021, 07:14:22 PM: This delay gives me more time to cash in my empties to cover the massive check Slim will be receiving :cheers:
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: wheelrdealer on June 11, 2021, 08:13:54 PM: Chris, my car has been stored for years. A few years ago I decided I should spray the cylinders with some WD40 and hand turn over the motor. I got to #7 and when I stuck the red extension tube in the spark plug hole I pressed the spray nozzle and the red WD40 tube shot right in the # 7 cylinder. I hate it when I create my own problems. It happens.

BR
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 11, 2021, 09:15:06 PM: Bill - that's PRECISELY my frustration.

I'm trying so hard to be smart about this - checking the compression to get some insight as to how the build is holding together is an example - and then carelessly trashing a valve in pursuit of doing things the smart way.

I entertained the thought of firing it up and hoping the valve - an exhaust valve - might get hot enough and reseat itself. But I also remember reading in Vizard's book on the A-Series about "thermal distortion" of the valve seat on exhaust valves. I know people who would go that route, and truthfully, if this were an LS motor or a SBF - something I could recreate through the Summit catalogue - I might have done that.

But I also know that a leaky exhaust valve can burn the seat. The K head is too fragile, too scarce and too far along, and there's too much invested and involved to take that chance.

The up-side is that we were able to check out the bores - they look great - and confirm the copper headgasket sealing.

But it sure seems like I dropped a duce in the punch bowl . . .
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Koncretekid on June 11, 2021, 09:28:55 PM: Your luck sounds like my luck working on my bikes. Just had to take the head off my Triumph (road bike) for the third time this spring due to a valve sticking in a new guide - - insufficient clearance!

So I've decided to pledge $1 per horsepower to the cause, Canadian dollars, of course!

Better luck this time!

Tom
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on June 12, 2021, 06:10:19 PM: Quote from: floydjer on June 11, 2021, 07:14:22 PM
This delay gives me more time to cash in my empties to cover the massive check Slim will be receiving :cheers:

Where can I cash in my milk cartons?
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: floydjer on June 13, 2021, 07:18:52 AM: Check them for Slim's pic. first :cheers:
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 14, 2021, 10:29:26 PM: Welcome to Mark's little corner of Koozebane.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51247807311_1449bb01fe_5k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m5ApEF)20210614_180420 (https://flic.kr/p/2m5ApEF) by Chris Conrad (https://www.flickr.com/photos/137682296@N04/), on Flickr

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It's positive that I know there are two basic personality types in the Dunning-Krueger effect, but just when I thought I had my place on the spectrum plotted, something stupid happens, and I need to reevaluate my position.

After pulling the violated exhaust valve and replacing it, we returned to checking lash on the cam buckets. Exhaust is supposed to be .010, and going through the lobes we're good until we hit the 3 cylinder, second valve.

.017??!!??!!

I have NO IDEA WHERE THIS CAME FROM, but lodged between the valve and the seat was a small piece of very stiff wire, possibly from a wire brush?

One on one, with friends and colleagues, I'm not above making crude comments. I do make every attempt to read the room before I say something vulgar, and while I've been cuffed in the ear by Kate on a few occasions for speaking my mind, I genuinely try to not air such thoughts in public forums such as this.

But given my level of frustration, I am compelled to proffer this thought in the form of a question which I will not voice an answer to:

What does this thing left of the penny look like to you?

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IT was easily accessible from the exhaust port, Mark grabbed it with a pair of needle nose plyers, and I gave the tappet a quick wrap with a socket and a rubber hammer. AGAIN we checked for leakdown and were at ~ 2%. For a freshly reattached head on a cold engine with about an hour of break-in time, that's great.

Back to it tomorrow.
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Lemming Motors on June 15, 2021, 02:49:12 AM: I assume, given the geography, you are aiming for American rather than British (MG) horsepower: I ask only to determine if my pledge should be pence or cents. I would seriously struggle to build Squeeze of Lemming without this forum.

I also note the engine is growing up and has started to grow public hair in its valvular region.
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on June 15, 2021, 07:44:04 AM: Quote from: Lemming Motors on June 15, 2021, 02:49:12 AM

I also note the engine is growing up and has started to grow public hair in its valvular region.

Now that is funny :clap
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: floydjer on June 15, 2021, 08:54:42 AM: It looks like a short piece of wavy shaped small diameter wire . Back to draining Vernor's bottles for my contribution.....
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Koncretekid on June 15, 2021, 09:12:01 AM: It looks like spring steel to me. Is it magnetic? But as it was found in the combustion area (better than if it were found in the oil or sump), it must have either entered thru the intake system or was the remains of a tool or wire brush used in the porting process. Are there any springs associated with the fuel pump, injectors, or hey, what about that valve that departed the compression gauge? Didn't it have a spring under the pressure relief button?

Tom

P.S. I just realized that "under the cam bucket shims" means not in the combustion area. I don't have cam bucket shims in my pushrod motors!
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 15, 2021, 09:21:09 AM: Quote from: Koncretekid on June 15, 2021, 09:12:01 AM
It looks like spring steel to me. Is it magnetic? But as it was found in the combustion area (better than if it were found in the oil or sump), it must have either entered thru the intake system or was the remains of a tool or wire brush used in the porting process. Are there any springs associated with the fuel pump, injectors, or hey, what about that valve that departed the compression gauge? Didn't it have a spring under the pressure relief button?

Tom

That's Mark's assessment, right there.

Quote from: Lemming Motors on June 15, 2021, 02:49:12 AM

I also note the engine is growing up and has started to grow public hair in its valvular region.

Yup - stuck in the zipper . . .
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on June 15, 2021, 09:47:48 AM: Alien, android pube? :-P
if so, do not confront them! :evil:
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Peter Jack on June 15, 2021, 03:12:24 PM: It sure looks like it came off a wire wheel to me. It's a pain when part of the cleaning process becomes an issue.

Good luck the rest of the way Chris!

Pete
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: fordboy628 on June 15, 2021, 07:19:24 PM: AND THE ROVER HAS LEFT THE BUILDING! ! !

:dhorse:

:cheers:

back to it's "home planet", as it were, re-crossing the dreaded "cheddar curtain" . . . . . . .
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: ggl205 on June 15, 2021, 08:08:01 PM: Back to draining Vernor's bottles for my contribution.....

My all time favorite ginger ale.

John
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: floydjer on June 15, 2021, 08:46:41 PM: John....Try boiling sausage in it...yummy. :cheers:....RACING.
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Stan Back on June 15, 2021, 09:15:07 PM: So was there a number before it left?
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: fordboy628 on June 15, 2021, 11:04:52 PM: Quote from: Stan Back on June 15, 2021, 09:15:07 PM
So was there a number before it left?

Yes. But that is for the midget to post. I won't steal his "thunder" . . . .
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 15, 2021, 11:06:29 PM: Pony up, boyz!

Quote from: Stan Back on June 15, 2021, 09:15:07 PM
So was there a number before it left?

Indeed there was.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51251061445_af77a014fc_3k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m5T61r)Dynothonresults (https://flic.kr/p/2m5T61r) by Chris Conrad (https://www.flickr.com/photos/137682296@N04/), on Flickr

114.5 hp . . . at 9,500 RPM.

9,500 rpm is where the dyno stopped moving water.

Essentially, we turned a SuperFlow 902 into a Waring Blender.

We're thinking it's a 125 hp engine, but the dyno simply isn't capable of providing water at this RPM and providing reliable results.

Here's a printout of our last few reliable pulls -

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51250200468_d805606441_3k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m5NF51)Finalpulls (https://flic.kr/p/2m5NF51) by Chris Conrad (https://www.flickr.com/photos/137682296@N04/), on Flickr

I'll point out a few things here - at least as I understand them. I'm certain Mark will join in when his ears stop ringing.

Note the torque curve - it hovers between 63 and 67 ft lbs from 6,300 to 9,500 rpm, and was showing no indications of rolling off any time soon.

Horsepower, of course, is a function of torque and revs - and as long as the torque remains constant or doesn't fall off, as the revs climb, so does the hp.

So what does this mean for our attempt this year? Well, let's look at what's worked in the past. Mark superimposed the Grenade graph onto the K graph -

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51249281577_044db7ff51_3k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m5HXV4)GrenadevsKseries (https://flic.kr/p/2m5HXV4) by Chris Conrad (https://www.flickr.com/photos/137682296@N04/), on Flickr

We tested in a much narrower range with the old A-Series, and it gave a LOT more torque below 7,000 AND better power numbers - UNTIL 7,800 RPM. That's where air flow and electronic fuel injection start to really show their mettle.

We set the rev limiter at 10,000. It appears that the way we'll need to drive this thing is to just simply wring it out in the lower gears and hope 4th doesn't drop us below what the A-series gave us - the 3-4 is right there in that pocket where the two engines power curves cross.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING US SHARE THIS - it was both frustrating and fun, gut-wrenching and stress relieving.

And hopefully a financial help to our favorite site on the web!
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: fordboy628 on June 15, 2021, 11:51:01 PM: Soooo . . . . . .

We did see "flash" peak numbers of 122/123 bhp @ 10,000 rpm, but with the full size pump impellor on the large capacity brake, (hey T&T's normal customers all run BIG Chevys or Nos or blown), we just could not control it well enough to get documentable data points. We made 3 attempts, and since I was not keen on rebuilding the absorber unit, we just canned any further attempts. It's going to take at least a smaller diameter impellor on the water pump of the brake unit to have stable control of 60 cubic inches @ 10,000 rpm making 65 ish ft/lbs of tq. It's a shame but . . . . . the game is for honest, documentable bhp, period.

Vikingboy & Chris have got a good middle range tune into the ECU with the fuel curve and timing both in the "safe" range. It got "beat up "pretty hard", and can still go into the Midget. So off the "Bendover" it goes.

The 'K' takes off, right where the tractor engine laid down on the job. A "continuation", in the truest sense.
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Koncretekid on June 16, 2021, 07:16:37 AM: The great white dyno should give you the numbers you want. If the crank, rods, and pistons (and water pump) are capable, with the torque curve continuing to straight-line, the horsepower should just keep increasing and thus the speed.

Might want to go for the record, make the back-up run, then go for broke!

Any predictions on speed?.

Tom

P.S. How do I make the donation to the forum?
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 16, 2021, 08:43:03 AM: Quote from: Koncretekid on June 16, 2021, 07:16:37 AM

P.S. How do I make the donation to the forum?

Hey, Tom -

Here you go - and thanks!

http://www.landracing.com/index.php/component/content/article?id=9

I paid up this morning, along with an additional amount my father sent me to tack on.
He likes this site a great deal.
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 16, 2021, 09:14:03 AM: Let me take a moment right now to thank Chris and Mark and all of you for the funds you're sending to the site. I've already seen confirmation of 2 or 3 donations today.

Thank you very much. Thank you very much!
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!
Thank You Very Much :clap
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on June 16, 2021, 09:39:34 AM: Check your PayPAL Jon! Ka-Ching! Ka-Ching!
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Queeziryder on June 16, 2021, 10:32:48 AM: Hey Jon,
Money should be on its way through the ether.

Cheers Chris Mark and Jon :cheers:
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: floydjer on June 16, 2021, 02:03:55 PM: Taped a check to a mule and pointed him north. Good job Chris. :cheers:
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Lemming Motors on June 16, 2021, 04:37:17 PM: Quote from: Milwaukee Midget on June 15, 2021, 11:06:29 PM

And hopefully a financial help to our favorite site on the web!

What? This web thing has other sites???
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Stainless1 on June 17, 2021, 09:44:24 AM: OK then, 133.33 HP... You can verify my estimate of your actual HP on my dyno whenever you like.... congratulations guys...
$25 =100 + $50 next 25 @$2 +$25 for the last 8.33 @$3.....my $100 headed to Slim
:cheers: :friday :cheers:
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Stan Back on June 17, 2021, 11:40:02 AM: I get lost on the formula, but it's a generous dollar amount.
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: salt27 on June 17, 2021, 12:39:00 PM: I seem to remember something about using PayPal and indicating gift, Is that still the case?

Don
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on June 17, 2021, 01:56:44 PM: I think it still works like that, but maybe the system has been changed and there's another way to maximise the amount that gets to me. But - the fee isn't all that usurious and the funds arrive pretty quickly and so on, so I don't lose too much sleep. I do thank all of youse guys for the support so we can have fun.

Speaking of funds for the site - - wait 'til you hear my idea for the 2021 t-shirt!! :clap muutt
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: floydjer on June 17, 2021, 02:13:01 PM: 2021 shirts?? Mark twain for me in XL. :cheers:
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: salt27 on June 17, 2021, 03:39:59 PM: Quote from: salt27 on June 17, 2021, 12:39:00 PM
I seem to remember something about using PayPal and indicating gift, Is that still the case?

Don
Quote from: Seldom Seen Slim on June 17, 2021, 01:56:44 PM
I think it still works like that, but maybe the system has been changed and there's another way to maximise the amount that gets to me. But - the fee isn't all that usurious and the funds arrive pretty quickly and so on, so I don't lose too much sleep. I do thank all of youse guys for the support so we can have fun.

Speaking of funds for the site - - wait 'til you hear my idea for the 2021 t-shirt!! :clap muutt

Ether the gift option is defunct or I just couldn't locate it.

Anyway the donation was sent.

And a shout out to Chris and Fordboy for the entertainment. :cheers:

Don
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Stainless1 on June 17, 2021, 08:45:09 PM: Sending to a friend, not a purchase is free as long as if comes from a bank account... If you use a credit card then someone pays the freight...
So mark it as sending to a friend.... it's such a small white lie.... :roll: :evil:
Just kidding Slim... you are one of my oldest friends... or maybe you just look like one of the oldest.... :cheers:
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on June 17, 2021, 08:52:40 PM: Quote from: Stainless1 on June 17, 2021, 08:45:09 PM
Just kidding Slim... you are one of my oldest friends... or maybe you just look like one of the oldest.... :cheers:

And while I may or may not be Slim's biggest fan, I might well be the tallest.
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: floydjer on June 17, 2021, 09:15:17 PM: And I am his friend with the smallest number of different letters in his name... :clap
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Stan Back on June 21, 2021, 04:54:18 PM: The check (or is it a cheque) for the shillings (better than shellings) is in the mail (better than in the male).
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Stan Back on April 27, 2023, 02:10:28 PM: Can't find the "Donate" button nor a mailing address?
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: floydjer on April 27, 2023, 03:43:08 PM: S.B...Left side of the home page, Under Support The Site. :cheers:
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: floydjer on April 27, 2023, 04:38:26 PM: ....And if you click on "More info"?... You will find Jon's mailing address.
Title: Re: DYNOTHON - 2021 - the Landracing.com Fundraiser. We're BAAAACK!
Post by: Stan Back on April 28, 2023, 03:22:27 PM: Now I got it!

Couldn't find my way "home". For many years it has opened on the Forum's first page -- and it has the word "Home" in bright orange. That ain't the Home -- that's how you get there!