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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => SCTA Rule Questions => Topic started by: Clay Pitkin on December 21, 2007, 03:46:33 PM
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In the rule book it says that the car or vehicle must have adequate brakes. So does that mean, I do not have to necessiarly have all 4 whhels with brakes? Meaning can I disconnect the front two and only have rear brakes?
TIA
Clay
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In the rule book it says that the car or vehicle must have adequate brakes. So does that mean, I do not have to necessiarly have all 4 whhels with brakes? Meaning can I disconnect the front two and only have rear brakes?
TIA
Clay
Yep,
Sum
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2 schools of thought....
1. Its a landspeed car, you don't need no stinking brakes for anything but towing. They won't do you any good at speed anyway.
2. Good high quality high speed brakes are a necessity to rescue you if you get in trouble.
You will find an unlimited supply of folks for both sides. Our car does not have front brakes, most special construction cars do not have front brakes, a lot of production based cars do... it is sort of a choice thing.... :-)
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We only have rear brakes. Normally we use them very little, usually below 200 and at turn out. However one time in 26 years, we lost all our chutes. I was at the 5 and 1/2 when I realized NO CHUTES. Finally got stopped at about the 7 and 1/2. It was nice that we did have brakes, even though you can't use them very hard. Not enough traction from the tires to really make use of massive brakes. But you do need enough that they won't burn up at speed.
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brakes are nice to have on those cold bonneville mornings
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brakes are nice to have on those cold bonneville mornings
It is also nice to have two chutes and the release handles close to each other :evil:, You'd be surprised how fast you can get stopped from 300 in this manner. If you are a little squirrely and have big balls who needs any stinky brakes.
Merry Christmas Kent,
Sum
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It is also nice to have two chutes and the release handles close to each other :evil:, You'd be surprised how fast you can get stopped from 300 in this manner. If you are a little squirrely and have big balls who needs any stinky brakes.
Sum
Sum, buttons on the wheel are better than handles. Ya know it is much quicker to thumb a button than reach for a handle.... :-o The handle should be there in case of electrical failure... :-)
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yeh, yeh, everyone's a comedian... ho, ho ,ho to your too.... yep i gots me some buttons now.... :-D
kent
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.......................Sum, buttons on the wheel are better than handles. Ya know it is much quicker to thumb a button than reach for a handle.... :-o The handle should be there in case of electrical failure... :-)
I plan on buttons...........I'll learn form someone else's, let say errors in judgement, and I won't name names 8-) ( ho, ho ,ho )............
Sum
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No brakes? What happens when you spin and are heading toward something or someone? Would you need brakes then? At El Mirage if you spin it is not too hard to get close to the spectators especially if you can't see where you are going. Brakes, I say hell yes. How about all the responses to the Coddington spin with no chute out and lack of experience. If she hit the brakes or turned the wheel it would have made a difference. If you are a car keep the front brakes at least, they do most of the stopping. Rear brakes only is like ice skating, not much traction there. If you combine rear brakes only without suspension good luck stopping.
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Several years ago at a speed over 265 mph i torched a hole through the head and into the waterjacket this supercharged the water system blowing off a water hose and splitting the water tank,steaming up the windows.I pulled both of the top fuel funny car chutes that we run and got on the 4 wheel disk brakes. The course worker said ''man you sure got stopped fast''.
Same thing for fire or some other emergency.
As for 2 wheel rear brakes. My cousins Ed @ Arley ran a Stutebaker with no supension,rear brakes only.After making a trial run north of the course on a Saturday he put on the brakes, S... no brakes. Well they were working but just sliding the tires do to lack of compliance with the dirt.
JL222
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WHAT ABOUT MOTOTRCYCLES?Do we have to have Both front and Rear or can we still just run fronts?
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WHAT ABOUT MOTOTRCYCLES?Do we have to have Both front and Rear or can we still just run fronts?
If you choose to run just front brakes, and get past tech, you can count on all of us to stand behind you.
We got yer 6 buddy. :-D
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WHAT ABOUT MOTOTRCYCLES?Do we have to have Both front and Rear or can we still just run fronts?
If you choose to run just front brakes, and get past tech, you can count on all of us to stand behind you.
We got yer 6 buddy. :-D
will I get past tech though is the problem :??Are Rear Brakes mandatory now :cry:?
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7.B.23 -- "Rear brakes are required and must be an internal expanding drum type or disc brake". Front brakes aren't mentioned -- aren't required at Bonneville. I don't know if there's a requirement for them at EM -- but if there is it's not shown in the book -- might be a local thing.
Front brakes are required for bikes over 175 at Maxton, but for '08 I think that rule may be relaxed to something like "front brakes are highly suggested" for bikes over 175. Rears are required at Maxton.
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It is also nice to have two chutes and the release handles close to each other :evil:, You'd be surprised how fast you can get stopped from 300 in this manner. If you are a little squirrely and have big balls who needs any stinky brakes.
Merry Christmas Kent,
Sum
I don't care who you are, that's funny!
There is an error thought Sumner, he hasn't quite made it to the 300 mark yet..........
Also have you seen the video? It took him forever to come to a stop when he was sliding on his top for 5/8 to 3/4 of a mile holding up the meet for the rest of us.
Scott
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I would suggest good brakes for all the short course (1 mile) events, at the Texas mile we had a little trouble getting the bike stopped before the gravel took the paint off the fairing. Only had rears and they were pretty toasted....
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It is also nice to have two chutes and the release handles close to each other :evil:, You'd be surprised how fast you can get stopped from 300 in this manner. If you are a little squirrely and have big balls who needs any stinky brakes.
Merry Christmas Kent,
Sum
I don't care who you are, that's funny!
There is an error thought Sumner, he hasn't quite made it to the 300 mark yet..........
Also have you seen the video? It took him forever to come to a stop when he was sliding on his top for 5/8 to 3/4 of a mile holding up the meet for the rest of us.
Scott
Well he has run 299+, so I gave the poor guy the benefit of what I learn in math class about rounding off numbers :roll: . I haven't seen the video, but would love too, is it posted on the Internet?
I remember some of Glen's comments about a car rolling and crashing and then he said something about maybe it didn't roll as it is driving off the course. Glen??
As much as Kent bashes NASCAR I think he saw the race where Dale Earnhardt crashes and rolls the car and figures he can still race it and goes on.
ho, ho, ho Kent,
Sum
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It is also nice to have two chutes and the release handles close to each other :evil:, You'd be surprised how fast you can get stopped from 300 in this manner. If you are a little squirrely and have big balls who needs any stinky brakes.
Merry Christmas Kent,
Sum
I don't care who you are, that's funny!
There is an error thought Sumner, he hasn't quite made it to the 300 mark yet..........
Also have you seen the video? It took him forever to come to a stop when he was sliding on his top for 5/8 to 3/4 of a mile holding up the meet for the rest of us.
Scott
Well he has run 299+, so I gave the poor guy the benefit of what I learn in math class about rounding off numbers :roll: . I haven't seen the video, but would love too, is it posted on the Internet?
I remember some of Glen's comments about a car rolling and crashing and then he said something about maybe it didn't roll as it is driving off the course. Glen??
As much as Kent bashes NASCAR I think he saw the race where Dale Earnhardt crashes and rolls the car and figures he can still race it and goes on.
ho, ho, ho Kent,
Sum
No the video is not posted yet, I keep telling him to give me the cd and I will ost the video, however he may be fast on the salt, but when it comes to stuff like this he is like a snail.
As muchas Kent bashes everyone he deserves some shit back, I know I take a ton a crap everytime I go down there..........
Scott
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WHAT ABOUT MOTOTRCYCLES?Do we have to have Both front and Rear or can we still just run fronts?
I ran an enduro once where the back brakes failed and I ran almost all day with only front brakes. I think I fell more that one day than in all the rest of my motorcycle days combined.
The enduro was in Ill. and off road and on gravel roads. I came down one road and got to a T going too fast. There was a farmer's driveway straight ahead. I ran into the gravel driveway on the brakes and went down in the middle of a bunch of chickens. I had probably already fallen a half dozen times and was really getting beat up. I just laid there trying to rest up and the farmer came out of the house, looked down at me and asked if I was OK. I said yes and asked if I could just lay there a while.
No way would I run only front brakes,
Sum
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I know I take a ton a crap every time I go down there......Scott
I hope you leave it with him :-D,
Sum
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Sumner, you just don't like using that front brake on a motorcycle. It must scare the hell out of you. Can you imagine only having a rear brake on a dirt bike? You would slide that rear tire forever before you stopped and would be sideways at that. I've been riding for over twenty years and wouldn't be caught without a front brake and in fact I rarely use the back brake unless I want to manuver around a corner. I would like to anyone come down this hill without front brakes.
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Ho Ho Ho Santa needs to go to sleep now.
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Sumner, you just don't like using that front brake on a motorcycle. It must scare the hell out of you. Can you imagine only having a rear brake on a dirt bike? You would slide that rear tire forever before you stopped and would be sideways at that. I've been riding for over twenty years and wouldn't be caught without a front brake and in fact I rarely use the back brake unless I want to manuver around a corner. I would like to anyone come down this hill without front brakes.
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Ho Ho Ho Santa needs to go to sleep now.
I agree you have most of your braking on the front, but to only have a front brake is a disaster when trying to race on the dirt. Disconnect your rear one and try it sometime. Just go out and ride like you normally do. Just make sure the front wheel is pointed straight ahead when you use the front one. Sure you could putt putt around with just a front brake, but to go fast you need both of them.
Once you get off the brakes going down a hill you would be surprised how many people you can pass.
Nice video,
Sum
P.S. There were a few days that I wasn't scared 8-)
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Sumner, you just don't like using that front brake on a motorcycle. It must scare the hell out of you. Can you imagine only having a rear brake on a dirt bike? You would slide that rear tire forever before you stopped and would be sideways at that. I've been riding for over twenty years and wouldn't be caught without a front brake and in fact I rarely use the back brake unless I want to manuver around a corner. I would like to anyone come down this hill without front brakes.
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Ho Ho Ho Santa needs to go to sleep now.
I agree you have most of your braking on the front, but to only have a front brake is a disaster when trying to race on the dirt. Disconnect your rear one and try it sometime. Just go out and ride like you normally do. Just make sure the front wheel is pointed straight ahead when you use the front one. Sure you could putt putt around with just a front brake, but to go fast you need both of them.
Once you get off the brakes going down a hill you would be surprised how many people you can pass.
Nice video,
Sum
It's funny how many people that ride or ride fast don't know how to use their brakes properly. Part of going faster, is knowing youir brakes. The one who uses them the best usually wins, or the ones with the biggest bowling balls. Thought you might like the video, Merry Christmas. Troy