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Re: Hans device
« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2008, 01:18:28 PM »
How would that work in a liner where your laying down looking down. As it is now I can't see the bottom of my gages because the lower part of the eye opening in the helmet blocks the view.
This whole thread is great because it brings up the different types of cars and seating positions we have in LSR.
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Re: Hans device
« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2008, 04:28:54 PM »
This year, I purchased a Simpson teather type restraint that attaches to cable loops that Simpson retrofitted to my helmet. The teathers attach to a harness that goes over your shoulders and down around your legs and crotch. It appears to work and I  was told when I purchased it that it carried SFI 38-1 approval. I can't find any official markings on it, but I made a point to specifically ask about the approval. Has anyone else had any experience with this system? Hope I didn't waste my money. Doug
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Re: Hans device
« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2008, 04:34:21 PM »
my thoughts and sentimet exactly Doug!!!!!
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Re: Hans device
« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2008, 05:19:18 PM »
the problem is when you are straped into something and it stops suddenly your body stops shortly thereafter depending on your seat belts and who strapped you in--- its the head that doesnt stop and with the extra weight of the helmet bad things happen to the neck--i dont think tieing the helmet to the roll cage is the answer--i think the head needs to stop slowly (as slowly as possible )and i think some type of shock or damper could be the answer ---but not the ones ive seen--will it help in a front impact maybe---will it help in a impact from the side or top i dont think so ---i was going to build a streamliner for 09 but i dont trust any of the devices that ive seen so far-- i dont think shocks, springs,are the answer i think it will only bring on a false sense of security kinda like wearing a helmet on the street---i think you folks who are inside a car should think about air bags we know that they work --- just some thoughts  willie buchta
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Re: Hans device
« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2008, 09:30:21 PM »
Actually, The Simpson device isn't strapped to the cage, but to my body. The harness is first strapped on not unlike an old WWII parachute harness, with two D rings about midway down my shoulder blades. The attaching straps are hooked there and the quick disconnect links are hooked forward to the cable loops on the helmet[by my ear lobes]. They[in theory] limit the helmet forward travel and do not require any additional steps to exit the vehicle. A good picture is available on Simpson's web site. While not as sophisticated as the more expensive carbon fiber systems, they would seem to work. It does pose one more step when getting suited up, however. None of the devices are effective in reducing the forward movement of the upper helmet/head, thus putting great strain on the anterior neck muscles.Some sort of blade restraint that would be in front of the area above the top of the visor area of the helmet that is somehow released when dropping the door net or releasing the seat belt system,so as not to create an extra step when exiting the vehicle, would solve that problem. Somehoe we need to keep it simple.
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Re: Hans device
« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2008, 09:32:04 PM »
Interesting watching the end of the NASCAR race today when Tony Stewart was shown unbuckling in a rather agitated state throwing stuff around. In addition to the Hans he also still uses the "Horse Collar". It would still make sense to wear one as it would act as a shock absorber for the bottom of the helmet before hitting the SFI padding or the forward limits of the helmet restraint.

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Re: Hans device
« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2008, 10:05:00 PM »
I may need help finding a Hans that fits, anyone have a suggestion  :?
it is already hard to keep the new helmets from touching the bars so I can see...
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Re: Hans device
« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2008, 10:56:45 PM »
Buy a streamliner and ditch the lakester so you have more room........ Or Cut your hair and get a smaller helmet...

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Re: Hans device
« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2008, 11:25:37 PM »
I may need help finding a Hans that fits, anyone have a suggestion  :?
it is already hard to keep the new helmets from touching the bars so I can see...

I'm wondering about this also and so far about the only one that I see advertised for the seat angles we have in lakesters and streamliners is this one..........



............ the R3 Head and Neck Restraint for use with Formula Car Seats for seat back angles of less than 65 degrees (measured from horizontal, just below the height of the shoulder harness)......

http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=9570

................. and I wonder if even it will work in our situation with an extreme lay-down position and if it is even made to work under the conditions shown in your picture or what I have in my lakester also.  I'll spend the money for one of these, but hope it is really designed to work in our application and that SCTA doesn't necessarily make it an across the board rule if there is nothing out there at this time that is better than the "nothing" we are using now in this type car or bike liner.

c you and the lakester at WOS,


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Re: Hans device
« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2008, 11:59:15 PM »
Why not go to http://www.hansdevice.com/ and check out their information, then give them a call. Nobody's had more experience with head and neck restraint than Hubbard and Downing.

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Re: Hans device
« Reply #40 on: September 09, 2008, 12:03:25 AM »
sum,

I was thinking the same thing as you are.

some vehicles take head movement, along with waist and back movement to get the momentum to get out of a tight fitting streamliner or lakester. A device like the one shown could cause a great deal of difficulty by limiting all the forces needed to get out of a streamliner or lakester configuration. Some of the more sit in normal position vehicles may not have the same issue ie. roadsters, trucks or door slammers.

Agree that there is not one size fits all solution.

Just thinking outloud.....

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Re: Hans device
« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2008, 01:04:26 AM »
After a few minutes of searching I located the site for the manufacturer of the R3 restraint system:

Safety Solutions, Inc. — maker of the R3 head and neck support
http://www.safetysolutionsracing.com/

To keep everything together that I've compiled so far, here's my updated list for you:

G-Force Racing Gear
http://www.gforceracinggear.com/

Hubbard/Downing — maker of the HANS Device head and neck support
http://www.hansdevice.com/

Isaac Head and Neck Restraint System
http://www.isaacdirect.com/

ISP — Innovative Safety Products
http://www.ispseats.com/

Mattec Corporation — maker of the Hutchens' Device head and neck support
http://www.hutchensdevice.com/

Safety Solutions, Inc. — maker of the R3 head and neck support
http://www.safetysolutionsracing.com/

Security Race Products
http://www.securityrace.com/

Simpson Race Products — maker of the Simpson Decelerator head and neck support
http://www.simpsonraceproducts.com/

Speedway Safety Equipment
http://www.speedwaysafetyequipment.com/

Teamtech Motorsports
http://www.teamtechmotorsports.com/

I have deleted the link for the Wright Device because their site has been down for awhile. If you want to follow up on that one, here's a Google search for "The Wright Device":
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22The+Wright+Device%22

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Re: Hans device
« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2008, 07:42:05 AM »
Please do look into the products offered by Trevor Ashline of Safety Solutions, and Kris VanGilder of Innovative Safety Products.

Trevor and Kris have developed solutions to resolve these concerns and have validated these solutions via crash testing and SFI certifications.

If you work with both companies you could install ISP Head Supports, Pour in Place Seat and the in seat version of the R3.

These are the same products used by most Pro NHRA drivers and many other forms of racing, we do work with Land Speed Racers on a regular basis.

Do your homework, you will not find any other products that have undergone as much testing and improvement.

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Re: Hans device
« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2008, 09:51:18 AM »
ISP,

Since you come on our forums promoting your safety devices, how about a discount on a group buy from land speed racers here on the forums.... A free advertisement here on your first post.... How about a deal for the possibility of using your products as in a group buy... If there are people intersted... Or how about sending me one to test the fitment in our streamliner and I can come back and make a full report to other LSR Racers on the product. Seems like roadster and normal riding position vehicles could use a wide variety with ease, but streamliners and lakesters with laydown type of vehicles and ones with really tight cages might be the ones with problems...

JonAmo

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Re: Hans device
« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2008, 11:52:34 AM »
JonAmo,

My posting was not intended to be a promotion but rather a sharing of safety related information.

When I was working on our website today I noticed several hits from this site and wanted to proactively address any safety related concerns.

At ISP we do not have the ability to provide discounts, our prices are generally below any competitors and by far a superior product.

We have constructed custom Head Supports for Streamliners and lakesters and would be happy to help anyone with these or other vehicles.

I encourage everyone in the market to do their homework with all manufacturers and to make the informed decision for their specific application.  Be sure to look closely at the types of foams used (SFI) as well as flammability ratings for the foam and upholstery materials.

Please email me your advertisement specs and pricing, I will run it by Kris and see if it is an option.

Thanks and be safe :-D