Hans device

[landracing]

Ed,

Your comments are right on.... Owners can now - this winter - start investigating different options that may fit their application for the POSSIBILITY  (Please read the last word AGAIN) of a new rule.. And they wont have to scatter at last minute to make changes in the cage, helmet or harness. if they can research and plan ahead in CASE of a rule change they will have a plan of action.

I dont have a helmet, fire suit or belts (that are current) yet so I have the flexibility. Also the cage is pretty big.


Jon

[landracing]

The Disclaimer on that website Ed is darn funny.

Jon

[John Romero]

i dont think so           ---------willie buchta

You are only 1 wheel away...

[Roadsters.com]

To save some of you some time, here are all of the manufacturers of neck support systems that I'm aware of:

G-Force Racing Gear
http://www.gforceracinggear.com/

Hubbard/Downing — maker of the HANS Device head and neck support
http://www.hansdevice.com/

Isaac Head and Neck Restraint System
http://www.isaacdirect.com/

ISP — Innovative Safety Products
http://www.ispseats.com/

Mattec Corporation — maker of the Hutchens' Device head and neck support
http://www.hutchensdevice.com/

Security Race Products
http://www.securityrace.com/

Simpson Race Products — maker of the Simpson Decelerator head and neck support
http://www.simpsonraceproducts.com/

Speedway Safety Equipment
http://www.speedwaysafetyequipment.com/

Teamtech Motorsports
http://www.teamtechmotorsports.com/

The Wright Device
http://www.over40racing.com/

The above is part of my site's page on safety equipment, which can be found at http://www.roadsters.com/safety/

I want that page to be as complete as possible. If you happen to notice anything that I've left out, please let me know. Thanks!

Dave Mann
(602) 233-8400
http://www.roadsters.com/

[willieworld]

you got a point john--------willie buchta

[836dstr]

So far it seems that all the discussion has been about "body mounted" helmet restraints.

Would it be possible to rig up a roll cage mounted restraint that would serve the same purpose?

My concern is that getting in and out of my Roadster requires the driver to bend the helmet forward @ the neck to slide in and out (made more difficult getting out with the new lateral restraints). Do some of the systems allow the "hans device" to be attached to the helmet after the driver is in the car?

Sorry about the uninformed question but I'm sure others are pondering the same issues.

Tom

[cheeto racer]

Lee Kennedy, Technical Chairman here..... Since I was mentioned in this chat I will take a moment to reply as this is very important to our LSR racing community at large... What I said (repeatedly) during the pre-inspection process at speedweek was that next year (2009) a forward limiting (helmet restraint) device such as the HANS "may" be required as there are now numerous manufactures of such devices providing a reliable cost effective supply. In addition, there is considerable evidence that these devices are effective in limiting injuries to the neck and spinal column in a crash scenario such as we experience at LSR events. Many racing organizations have adopted or mandated the use of these type of devices (in conjunction with other restraint systems). As Mr. Cook Jr. stated in this chat, not every system is correct for every driver or vehicle application and consideration must be given to each unique limitation(s). The SCTA/BNI does not at this time require an SFI "approved" device as the science of these devices is changing too quickly for the certification process as it now exists and we don't want to exclude new devices that have not had the opportunity to be certified. That said... this environment allows the racer many options to select a device appropriate for their particular application. I encourage each of you to take advantage of the technology offered by the various manufactures and individual devices that are designed to help ensure your safety. If you have questions concerning specific devices or application please contact me and I will be more than happy to discuss with it with you. My contact information can be located on the SCTA/BNI website or in the rule book.

Sorry that i mis quoted you.  Thank you  for clarifing

[836dstr]

Dave,

Thanks for posting the links! I should have looked at them all before my previous post.

The Isaac system looks interesting, but from the pictures it's a little hard to tell how it's hooked-up or what the release feature is.

Thanks again for all your informative posts with links.

Tom

[Roadsters.com]

Thanks. I'm glad to help in any way I can, and only wish I was able to contribute more.

Would it be possible to rig up a roll cage-mounted restraint that would serve the same purpose?...getting in and out of my Roadster requires the driver to bend the helmet forward at the neck to slide in and out (made more difficult getting out with the new lateral restraints).

Is there any way you could get in by leaning forward at the waist, and then leaning back?

Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/

[836dstr]

You haven't seen my waist!  Just kidding, sort of.

Being 6' 1" and climbing into a '27 T Street Roadster is a challenge now. It's all about technique and sequence. I'll try different ways.

Thanks Tom

[Geo]

I have a link to Seat Belt Harness install with video to show what happens to your head when the car stops.

http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,4310.0.html

You do not want to attach your head to the car.  No matter how tight your belts are your head will go forward about 9"    If the head is anchored your adams apple will still go forward leaving your head behind.

A head restraining device is a great addition to the rest of the safety equipment.  Before you buy one watch the video to have an idea of the dynamics you are dealing with.

Geo

[jacksoni]

So far it seems that all the discussion has been about "body mounted" helmet restraints.

Would it be possible to rig up a roll cage mounted restraint that would serve the same purpose?

My concern is that getting in and out of my Roadster requires the driver to bend the helmet forward @ the neck to slide in and out (made more difficult getting out with the new lateral restraints). Do some of the systems allow the "hans device" to be attached to the helmet after the driver is in the car?

Sorry about the uninformed question but I'm sure others are pondering the same issues.

Tom

My car does not have the very tight cage you are suggesting with the roadster but I put my Hans (and helmet) on after I am in the car.  The helmet attachments are quick release from the device and can readily be placed on the helmet once in as well if  you need to get in with the main device and helmet already on.  In other words if you get in with helmet on, can do so with the Hans in place but not attached to the helmet and then once in is easy to attach to the helmet.  Little spring loaded gizmo.  Pull a little cord to detach the helmet from the Hans.

[Glen]

See Mike Cook's remarks on page one of the subject article regarding what he has done.

[roadster589]

  we will be running or roadster at el mirage this meet, i have three different head and neck supports come by or pit and take a look. please, please, do what you got to do to find the right one and wear it i had the un-pleasure of testing one last sep and it saved my but. its money well spent. even if its not in the rule book in 2009,2010,2011 please find one wear one. 

[Chad]

I got the G-force head restraint this year, it is not sfi but I figure it is better than nothing. The nice part about it is that it just hangs from the back of the helmet until you get in the car and then it is strapped down by the belts. Forward head movement is limited to about one inch so I cant see all of the gauges but at speed I rarely ever see them anyway