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East Coast Timing Association => ECTA Rules Questions => Topic started by: jssport on February 05, 2007, 02:15:19 PM

Title: .020 over bore rule
Post by: jssport on February 05, 2007, 02:15:19 PM
Thanks in advance,


 I'm just checking out some things on my bike (A/PG 1650), need some clarification on this:

 I'm under the imression that both ECTA and SCTA that the motor limits allow a .020 overbore from max size. So I'm thinking this means once your stroke is measured, you can mathematically figure out what the bore size would be to take you up that class limit. Then add .020 to the bore size for max bore allowed.

 Right ?   Wrong ??      Huh ????
Title: Re: .020 over bore rule
Post by: JackD on February 05, 2007, 03:59:14 PM
Do a search on this web site for that .020 subject and read up on it while you are waiting.
You can expect the same cast of regulars to unravel the intent of that rule and the result.
The car guys don't have that luxury and can be expected to also comment.
It does generate a lively discussion and no public support.
ENJOY :wink:
Title: Re: .020 over bore rule
Post by: aswracing on February 05, 2007, 04:43:58 PM
Jim, that's the way I interpret it, and the way it's been applied to me personally.

My 1650 motor is the same as yours, 4.000 x 4.000. That comes out to 1647.4cc

At 4.003 bore, we're exactly 1650cc.

I got a 1650cc record certified in '02 with a 4.020 bore (1664cc), taking advantage of the +.020 overbore rule.

I also got a 2000cc record certified in '04 with a 4.030 bore (1672cc), legal as a 2000cc because it was bigger than 1650 + .020

Be aware, though, that there is no such overbore allowance at the Bub meet.
Title: Re: .020 over bore rule
Post by: narider on February 06, 2007, 10:35:04 AM
The car guys don't have that luxury and can be expected to also comment.
It does generate a lively discussion and no public support.

Understandable as it seems to be a "displacement disregardance" undefined as an "overbore allowance".
A cow in sheeps clothing is easily spotted,
Todd
Title: Re: .020 over bore rule
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on February 06, 2007, 10:40:16 AM
Todd, my buddy, I hate to say this -- but I think you've caught Dolanese!  Dang, friend, do what you can to get yourself clean from this treacherous malady.

I saw the .020 overbore subject come up yesterday and knew it'd likely have negative repercussions -- but geez, not you!  My condolances (mis-spelled on porpoise).
Title: Re: .020 over bore rule
Post by: JackD on February 06, 2007, 11:46:16 AM
The car guys don't have that luxury and can be expected to also comment.
It does generate a lively discussion and no public support.

Understandable as it seems to be a "displacement disregarding" undefined as an "overbore allowance".
A cow in sheep's clothing is easily spotted,
Todd
It is sorta like the ICU gown they give you in the hospital.
The case of the HD twin that used the .020 overbore allowance was just one of the unintended results of a bad rule made on behalf of 1 person.
With less costs to comply with the pre-existing class limits that the cost of 1 set of pistons for the HD.
The HD could have rune both classes within the limits of the classes they way they were with the same investment in parts and no sacrifice in speed..
Title: Re: .020 over bore rule
Post by: aswracing on February 06, 2007, 12:15:08 PM
Hey, I don't make the rules, I just do my best to follow them.
Title: Re: .020 over bore rule
Post by: JackD on February 06, 2007, 12:26:04 PM
Hey, I don't make the rules, I just do my best to follow them.

That is correct.
But I bet if you had more input, the rules mistakes would have a more public airing with a better result.
Title: Re: .020 over bore rule
Post by: John Nimphius on February 06, 2007, 01:43:06 PM
Nothing has a more positive effect on lost credibility than admitting a mistake and making it right.
Title: Re: .020 over bore rule
Post by: JackD on February 06, 2007, 01:54:51 PM
Nothing has a more positive effect on lost credibility than admitting a mistake and making it right.

"The basis for credibility is caring."
I think John and others get it.
Title: Re: .020 over bore rule
Post by: bbb on February 06, 2007, 06:07:42 PM
My condolances (mis-spelled on porpoise).

 :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: .020 over bore rule
Post by: JackD on February 06, 2007, 08:08:37 PM
A Porpoise is smarter than the rulers would give the bikers credit for.
You can teach them a lot of things but try some dumb stuff on them  and they will bite the hand that seemingly wants to feed them.

"The beatings will continue until moral improves."
Title: Re: .020 over bore rule
Post by: tortoise on February 06, 2007, 08:11:02 PM
"The beatings will continue until moral improves."
Morale, damn it!
Title: Re: .020 over bore rule
Post by: RidgeRunner on February 06, 2007, 09:28:06 PM
Good morals are a good prerequisite for good morale.   :wink:
Title: Re: .020 over bore rule
Post by: JackD on February 06, 2007, 11:57:54 PM
I think Tortoise can be saved.
Title: Re: .020 over bore rule
Post by: DahMurf on February 07, 2007, 02:09:01 PM
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Title: Re: .020 over bore rule
Post by: KeithTurk on February 14, 2007, 05:59:29 AM
We went thru a Huge nut roll over this rule last year... the ECTA didn't have the .020 rule...

Our stated mission is to provide a venue on the East coast that Bonneville racers can enjoy to test and tune for the Salt.  Obviously if your legal to run on the salt with the .020 rule that bike should be equally legal with the ECTA in the same class.

Our bike guys HATE this rule.... but it is what it is and they had thier say... end of story.

K ( not all of our bike guys hate it... we have one guy who now can test and tune his bike with us, run legally in a class he wasn't legal in before )

Title: Re: .020 over bore rule
Post by: JackD on February 14, 2007, 09:37:45 AM
We went thru a Huge nut roll over this rule last year... the ECTA didn't have the .020 rule...

Our stated mission is to provide a venue on the East coast that Bonneville racers can enjoy to test and tune for the Salt.  Obviously if your legal to run on the salt with the .020 rule that bike should be equally legal with the ECTA in the same class.

Our bike guys HATE this rule.... but it is what it is and they had their say... end of story.

K ( not all of our bike guys hate it... we have one guy who now can test and tune his bike with us, run legally in a class he wasn't legal in before )



A large percentage of the Bonneville bikers hate it too but their rulers won't listen and you are kinda stuck with it for now I guess.
Rational will overcome personnel reward but it is going to take time to repair the damage.
If you want to hear a scream, suggest the speed might be factored by the same % as the allowed overbore.
That will make them sit up and think.
There I go, tipping my hand. LOL