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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => SCTA Rule Questions => Topic started by: JackD on November 03, 2006, 12:45:00 AM
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As advertised, tonight at the Roadster club meeting we cussed and
discusses the published and proposed rule changes for cars in 07 and beyond.
With the committee identified and the schedule set for the meeting
it would seem things are going as you might expect.
Not so with the motorcycles that offered none of that .
SURPRIZED ??
NOT ME
THE END :cry:
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Are you saying I won't be moved to another class next year?
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Are you saying I won't be moved to another class next year?
"Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of man ?
Da Chadow do."
Amos and Andy- 1953
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Have the MC rule proposals for 07 been presented to the clubs or
anybody yet as should be the practice ?
Have they gone to the board for approval yet ?
I think not but there may be more stuff "LURKING IN THE SHADOWS". :wink:
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The proposed rule changes (both car/bike) will be presented to the board at this Friday nights board/reps meeting for the final thumbs up/down vote by the board.
The car rules were hashed out last Saturday ( 11/18 ) at the car rules committee meeting. I don't know about the M/C stuff.
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The motorcycle rules have not been presented to the clubs for comment.
Why are they treated to less than the cars? :wink:
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Could be because we two wheels less than cars.
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Kind of makes you understand why each year there are more M/C racers taking part in the BUB Speed Trials
Granted, the BUB event is FAR from perfect......
......but at least there is communication between the racers and the rule-makers.
Hopefully, with the new officers for 2007
SCTA will understand that the motorcyle
racers pay their money and should be represented in the same way as the car people.......we can only hope!!!!!!!!
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what about a combined long/short course for bikes and liscencing only at speedweek?? anyone know the number of bikes vs. cars at speedweek?
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Lots of things have been tried over the years in answer to the perception
the bikes get more runs than the cars.
Things like separate lines etc. failed.
The thing that is not universally understood is the bikes often run with
fewer delays than cars and have fewer things to get ready.
A common mistake was to line up in the short line with the expectation
that it put you closer to the front of the line.
The mistake was the cars take up much more space with the support
vehicles as opposed to the bikes that might have 10 entries in the same space.
Always count noses not distance to the front.
Availble salt space will dictate the number of tracks that can be run.
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There were 490 Entries: 330 cars and 103 bikes including 57 Class Changes. Total 433 vehicles.
There were 194 daily records set: 72 bikes and 122 cars.
There were 154 event records set: 63 bikes and 91 cars.
There were 2,018 timed runs: 1181 Short Course and 837 Long Course.
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Jack D has a point. Cars and support vehicles take up a lot of space. Plus getting a driver lashed in adds a fair bit of time. Some cars require the hood or scoop to be off when starting the car and more time to "bolt" the hood or scoop on. A lot of car guys don't understand the fact that leathers are a roll cage, fire suit, five point harness rolled into one. zip up and you're ready to go. I have never felt like a "second class citizen" with the SCTA. Quite the contrary. Or maybe I'm not sensitive enough/don't care so long as I can run. But I would like to thank the SCTA for putting on great meets year after year. And all those who give their time.
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Jack, why'd you go and point this out to them?
"A common mistake was to line up in the short line with the expectation
that it put you closer to the front of the line.
The mistake was the cars take up much more space with the support
vehicles as opposed to the bikes that might have 10 entries in the same space.
Always count noses not distance to the front."
I've counted vehicles, not distance from end of the line to the start line, and that's why we often get to move up past vehicles that "got in line next to us" before they do. It's just like heading for the toll booth with the semis -- one 70-foot long semi takes up about the same room as four cars, and Voila, we're back at cruising speed before the other lines pay their money.
Bikers forgotten? Not likely. New rules are coming, you betcha. No big changes, though. . .
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SLIM
We can talk in front of the car guys because they will never get it anyway.
Do you think they would ever follow you ? LOL
At an early USFRA meet it was 4 miles to a 132" trap. that and about 40
entries is all they had.
It was pretty casual.
I made a run on a 190mph street bike, and because there was no traffic
on the return road, I came back just about as fast.
The time ticket was available at the start line from Mary West.
She said I set 1/2 of a club record and it would be averaged with my next run.
She looked up and the Roadster that was next still wasn't ready and she
said it was still my turn if I was ready now.
I went again.
The trophy was hand painted on a junk yard flex plate and is valued more that most.
Well those days are gone but knowing where you are in line do make a difference.
Someday I will tell you about working to the front of long course line at Speedweek. :wink:
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Kind of makes you understand why each year there are more M/C racers taking part in the BUB Speed Trials
Granted, the BUB event is FAR from perfect......
......but at least there is communication between the racers and the rule-makers.
Hopefully, with the new officers for 2007
SCTA will understand that the motorcyle
racers pay their money and should be represented in the same way as the car people.......we can only hope!!!!!!!!
Bak,
I dont agree with this. With all the motorcycles at BUB's. IT is a great thing. But there was small percentage of those that were other venue racers for LSR. That was my observation. I think the BUB meet might actually bring more to BNI and USFRA meet. My observation.
BUB meet is getting better. I enjoy it lots.. Some things need worked out still but it IS on the up and up... Its funny though now the SCTA allows more innovation then does AMA and BUB according to the rules.. And BUB's in an International meet... There was a time when FIM was unlimited in innovation,,, Not in todays rules...
Ill keep coming either way... Great meet...
Jon
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The bikes probably have the strength in numbers to stand alone with their
own event.
The unfortunate part is the BUB event serves at the pleasure of one
person and their interest is paramount.
Just one of the sore spots is recognition by the 200 club.
The impression I get is the tech was so ragged and the AMA principal
knew so little about it that he lied to someone that wasn't dumb.
When he was called on it , he had no answer.
Another had so little experience that he made some dangerous decisions
and actually got away with very few.
They seem to pander to the noobie that doesn't know or appreciate the difference.
Just the event budget cost per entrant will tell you that something is wrong
for what should be an amateur event.
This impression comes from a number of sources and experience levels.
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Jon, explain yourself regarding SCTA versus AMA/FIM rules.....give a example!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jon, explain yourself regarding SCTA versus AMA/FIM rules.....give a example!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How many do you want.
FIM used to be unlimited in design.
Now it uses an older version of SCTA rules.
SCTA allows for better streamlining, longer tail sections, higher tail sections.
SCTA has no restrictions on gas tank volume in a special construction bike...
SCTA Modified class allow for longer wheel bases..
More innovation in SCTA then there is FIM/AMA....
I love both either way.. But fact is fact..
want more?
Jon
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Jack, why'd you go and point this out to them?
"A common mistake was to line up in the short line with the expectation
that it put you closer to the front of the line.
The mistake was the cars take up much more space with the support
vehicles as opposed to the bikes that might have 10 entries in the same space.
Always count noses not distance to the front."
Hey Slim, we may need 4 wheels to keep our vehicles upright buy we aren't stupid!
Whenever we see a lone van in line we yell out "CLOWN CAR" because just as you think you are getting close to the front of the line, the vans doors will fly open and people in funny suits will start jumping out with their bikes. 1! 2! 3! 4! How the hell do you guys get 4 bikes and riders in a single van???
Is everyone sitting in there sucking up the air conditioning???
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Well John,
Until you have spent the night in the same Hotel Room with 8 pairs of 3 day old socks and the feet still in them, you ain't raced no bikes nor would you survive the van ride either. :wink:
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Once again the MC rule changes were not mentioned at the board meeting last night.
The car rules were presented as is required and each one presented was discussed by the Club reps and voted on by the board.
While the MC rules voting was on the printed adgenda, they were neither presented for discussion by anybody or voted on.
They were just not mentioned and passed over.
It was an interesting meeting.
Jack
"Sometimes you stand bye and watch and other times it calls for you to stand watch."
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Please see my post under rules changes as to why the M/C changes were not presented.
DW
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Actually, I guess my post is under the SCTA meeting last night thread. :-D
DW
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Once again the MC rule changes were not mentioned at the board meeting last night.
The car rules were presented as is required and each one presented was discussed by the Club reps and voted on by the board.
While the MC rules voting was on the printed adgenda, they were neither presented for discussion by anybody or voted on.
They were just not mentioned and passed over.
It was an interesting meeting.
Jack
"Sometimes you stand bye and watch and other times it calls for you to stand watch."
Oh dId I FIND OUT SOME JUICE STUFF ON YOU Great Wise One :evil:! PM me when You get a chance You gotta Hear This :wink:!
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Did anyone hear anything on the rule changes? According to the SCTA site they were supposed to be out yesterday.
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REMARKABLE
The procedure should have had them to the clubs some time ago with the car stuff.
I wonder why not !
People that thought they were on the committee seem to be lacking a response to their E-mail questions and observations. while others are treated like a long lost relative.
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At the SDRC meeting tonight their was no word to the club as to the proposed ruler changes for bikes.
Bob Moreland was asked about any changes and he said he did not know of any.
I expect to be at the board meeting tomorrow night to see what happens.
Jack