The Lack of a fast car, Al's lakester Betsy, and Ack's MC Liner have inspired our latest efforts that will be another ugly BETTY Lakester. This effort will mostly be round, this time made out of a bomb bay ferry tank from a F105-B more affectionately called the THUD!!!!!!!!!--
My wife Linda is firmly convinced that INSANITY PREVAILS and RULES within the demented brain cavity of momma Smith's oldest baby girl Bill's skull.
Thats funny, we are building a new body for the GOT SALT lakester as we speak hoping to clean it up a bit for that 315 record
Sparky,
How about a picture of your tank so we can see what your starting point is.
Rex
This looks like the beginnings of a Prussian "tack" helmet to me :-D I see some UNUSUAL nose art (like maybe a Salt Rat with a Tack helment just itching to be splattered up here!!!! lol
PS
Wow: I didn't forget from picking up the camera, downloading, renaming, resizing, attaching to this post, to checking, and editing this note--less than 5 min---
PSS SS #1 remember this was an internal bomb bay ferrytank, hence the unusual shape
Yes. We are funding this tank by writing and selling a Oriental Hot Dog cookbook It will be called "How to WOK Your Dog"
John
Would it be possible to sit low enough to look through the car and open a section in the front? Kind of like the 909, 253, 221 and the 1116 lakesters. TonyAnd the 404 Lakester. :-D Wayno
Would it be possible to sit low enough to look through the car and open a section in the front? Kind of like the 909, 253, 221 and the 1116 lakesters. TonyAnd the 404 Lakester. :-D Wayno
Sparky, There are several styles of Hartwell latches, but I was suggesting of using one like this (picture from the net). The NASCAR boys use them on the windows and I have seen some liners use them as canopy release. Tony
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj236/maguromic/H134P5_112_1400_latch.jpg)
The button on the right is pushed from the outside and the lever on the left is operared from the inside. It is upside down as pictured. Oh yeah, the button is flush mounted. WaynoSparky, There are several styles of Hartwell latches, but I was suggesting of using one like this (picture from the net). The NASCAR boys use them on the windows and I have seen some liners use them as canopy release. Tony
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj236/maguromic/H134P5_112_1400_latch.jpg)
How are these latches operated from the inside AND the outside?
Looking good!
Tight fit though, huh?
Looking good!
Tight fit though, huh?
tight?....... they could run air-con :-D :-D
One approach that you might consider is the way the guys with the Contrivance Special modified roadster guys do, a short individual header for each cylinder with some leading and trailing aero devices.
. Just imagine fairly short stacks, 12-15 inches long and pretty much straight out from the side of the block with a slight, maybe 15 degree bend toward the back at the end of the pipe. Then they added sheet metal between each pipe and added a tapered tail on the last tube. Just another of the many innovative aero things that are on the car. RexI know you and I don't see eye to eye on all things aero Rex but ......on a roadster it may not be that significant but the pipes themselves aren't the issue, it's the exhaust flow that is detrimental to the airflow down the sides of the vehicle, if it is at the very rear it can be a positive influence.....zoomies are a hell of a lot easier, but if we were after the easy route we wouldn't be doing this anyways.
The Burnet Flag of 1836, inspired by the first Florida flag. Tony
Sparky....we (I) need pics!He's been so busy driving around picking up parts for other people I'm surprised he's got anything done.....
More interesting than his knees and arms -- why isn't he wearing a Subaru-eating grin and going "Zoom, ZOOM!" :-)
we are bring some gears & tires for export. A big cooler, cots and digital cameras to record any other IDEAS that may help us go faster! John and I will be living the "homeless LSR guys" bend in the road bum style of race meet!!!
We will be especially shopping for exhaust Ideas.
Spent 2 hrs in the shop last night coping the (hopefully :| ) frt Hoop. Wow what a s l o w messy process when you are doing it with cut off wheels and grinder ugh
After hearing stories racers of encountering timing light batteries that lurk behind the mile markers we decied we wanted a solid plate for a nose and the entire lower part of the cage will be covered with 1/4 plate
"That's not for the claustrophobic, is it?"
Funny that you mention that, a buddy of mine was really intrested in joing the team with one of his really strong A engines from a pull truck---untill he crawled in the RATICAL with no helment---he could NOT stand the canopy pulled part way down let alone latched shut.
Sparky,
I know you spent some time with the 608 lakester, did you ever notice that after a run there is a big build up of salt right in front of the rear wheels? You don't see it on Seth's car and I think the difference is that Seth's car is round in section which allows the air to pass between most of the wheel/tire and the body where as the 608 car is flat sided and the air is completely restricted from going between the wheel/tire and the body. How far away from the body do you plan to make your wheels?
As Pork Pie says "It doesn't much matter how you open the hole, it is all about how you close the hole"
Pork Pie Wendover KOA August '06
Rex
Sparky,
My thinking and I think Dr. Goggles agrees is that there is really no need to have either of the axles on a lakester very narrow. The thought being that the tires have a pretty big volume of aero affect and when you have the wheels close to the body the tires and body can aerodynamically interact and probably not to your advantage. ...
Rex
I spent 3 beers worth of beingineering time trying to get it to tell me what to to about torsional rigidity--- from the rear axle to the eng bay
T-Man the lower frame rails are 18" inside they are 1 3/4 .134
Behind the eng bay the uppers are still 2" but they are 19" inside tube to tube---photo not posted yet!
Why---the CLEVAGE BROS. weren't present :-o
I am going to explore driving it off a conventional fly wheel so as not to give up the GYRO effect on the rear of the crank.
Sparky, I think we need to take up a collection, and get you a camera! :wink:
Coping flat angle diagianols are a B----
That's where the aforementioned PVC tubing comes in handy. Sometimes I even use telescoping tubing. That way I can hack away indiscriminately and just slide the ends out to fit. Again, this just gives me a good visual reference so I don't waste a lot of the more expensive stuff. :roll: WaynoCoping flat angle diagianols are a B----
Tell me about it! Working on that myself!
Well if all goes well I should be able to know if I will fit in this thing Sunday night. I put i tacked in the diags on the left side yesterday. Should get in the right side today, and planning on fitting and tacking the 1/4 plate that will be the seat bottom Sunday, and tacking a 6" X12" strap to simulate the fire wall for the back of the helment. but when I climbed in last night---I think we will be going on a diet or back to biengineering the diagonals---GOD forbid we have to go to a designated driver :-o
Check out reply #45 and #47 to see how I do it when I don't use the bandsaw or the mill.
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,4165.45.html
Pete
Woody is running his "evaluation" to see if it is worth the effort to try to raise the back of the car 1.5-2" so that we can stay with the 24.5 tires instead of going to the 28" tires for the rake. We really need to stay with the smaller tires if we can for gearing reasons. It is worth the wait and ensuing effort if there is a difference---
-"I think" but as Saltfever says data beats an opinion!!! :-D :-D waiting for Woody---we should know this week! :cheers:
Looks a little like the Salt Cat ll
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Look at the #77 Hammond lakester , it has very clean lines and have added cannards to the front and are expermenting with different vertical stabilize designs. Both have helped with several runs well over 300 mph.
Ooops!
No, Interested Bystander, I did not know it was bad racing etiquette!
Can I blame my trespass on being a noob- us roundy-rounders don't have have that etiquette rule!
Wow ---here we go ---we get to reinvent ourselves and be whomever we wish to be!! :cheers:
NOPE :-D this is Andy's hunting buggy 1600 cc 1 barrel carb
We recieved our number #1 Christmas package today new chutes from Stroud a high speed and a low speed with his new launcher system that requires a 3" and a 6" tube
I will, we have tried in the past, the steering will completely swing up--thanks for the --I think that there need to be some leeway with the hans rule:
We are building our cage with 2" totaS SIDE TO SIDE, less than 1" vertical, the helment rest on our chest. We made the cage deep and tight so that we can protect our hands, when we went to a 9 point harness we were cautioned to put the controls CLOSE because we would not be able to move nearly as much. The sides are very tight to our hips legs and upper arms. Other than a FOAM insert seat I have tried to build a driver area as safe as my repeated questions to a lot of people that are in the know. I will use the hybrid---in Skips Liner it added about a minute of time to being able to get out and added NOTHING in that car. It may possibily add something to mine but I havent recoginized it yet.
KiWi---you have to be able to get your helment OFF everything but your head or you will BUZZZ your eyballs
I hear you on the head & neck thing Sparky, I'm in the same boat. 2" sideways, 1" up, 0" back & helmet in chest. Even if my head fell off, it couldn't get out of there. I'm going to use DJ's set-up, thats the only way I could get in the car & then see out once I get there. I also have swing up steering.
Sid.
I hear you on the head & neck thing Sparky, I'm in the same boat. 2" sideways, 1" up, 0" back & helmet in chest. Even if my head fell off, it couldn't get out of there. I'm going to use DJ's set-up, thats the only way I could get in the car & then see out once I get there. I also have swing up steering.
Sid.
Kiwi...DJ's helmet straps don't have a quick release, so helmet has to stay on untill someone can release the straps.
This restricks movement on exit.
Wish I had know before buying :roll:
JL222
I hear you on the head & neck thing Sparky, I'm in the same boat. 2" sideways, 1" up, 0" back & helmet in chest. Even if my head fell off, it couldn't get out of there. I'm going to use DJ's set-up, thats the only way I could get in the car & then see out once I get there. I also have swing up steering.
Sid.
Sparky and Sid, we use the DJ, same position as you, lying down, chin on chest, 1 inch or less front, back and sides. Yep you touch the sfi roll bar padding and it uncages your eyeballs. I guess I would be interested in seeing what the ISP padding is and if it is legal for SCTA. Anything that would let you touch and not translate the vibration would be a huge improvement.
Kiwi...DJ's helmet straps don't have a quick release, so helmet has to stay on untill someone can release the straps.
This restricks movement on exit.
Wish I had know before buying :roll:
JL222
I guess we haven't had that problem with the DJ, it is the least restrictive and flexible use unit out there. I guess in the sit up position the straps are shorter, but when your driving position has your chin on you chest the straps are loose enough to not restrict movement after you sit up. Releasing the chest strap should loosen the restraints. We didn't get the opportunity to use it "real world" in the liner yet but will be doing a bunch of garage practice before Speedweek. Yes, that means we haven't had the time to practice exit with it in the liner, but we had absolutely no issues with it in the Bockscar
Why sintered iron Sparky? We ran a Corvette special during the sixties with sintered iron linings in the drums and as I remember they were all over the place until they got well warmed up. This isn't a characteristic that I'd like in a fast Bonneville car. I'm sure that one of the performance brake lining companies could come up with something that would cause less excitement on shutdown and be at least as effective. The sintered iron also has a real appetite for cast iron drums. You'll be replacing the drums regularly if the system works out.
Pete
That stopping power is what I am trying to increase---I have tried a stop from 225 brakes only at B'Ville do not wish to repeat that at ElM. :-o
My cousin Ed had a solid suspension Stude and in the old days [when warm up passes in other parts of El Mirage were allowed] came back and said '' I have no brakes!!' he had brakes, the tires were just sliding.
Same thing on acceleration when sold and fuel hemi installed, couldn't touch the throttle with out wheelspin.
JL222
That stopping power is what I am trying to increase---I have tried a stop from 225 brakes only at B'Ville do not wish to repeat that at ElM. :-o
stuff :-o sticking out in the slip stream is why some go slow :cry:
Thanks for your offer Rob I just need to find some brake shoes---I am happy with my choice for many other reasons no drag and no worry about rusted stuck brakes are the two main ones!
Sparky,
Look to 77, put the exhaust under/within the body.
Just sayin'
DW
I begged Rich Manchen to put the exhaust under the rear end when we built the lakester. Didn't happen, his theory was that a blown engine will over come all.
DW
The Fuel tank natrual color fuel cell that is a 12.5 gallon cap. that we will have to plug the hole in what is now a side. we will put the fill cap, return & vent line on what was and end. We will put the course filter inside of the tank and the final filter between the fuel pump and the Pressure regulator.
The Alum tank is the radiator in a box with its cooling water behind the rear axle.
On the other side of it will be a dry sump tank that will be rectangular holding up to 20 qts of oil. will be run with min of 12 up depending where and what eng configuration.
The upper two and the dr. side mid bar will be removable as will be the nose cone and the bottom panel behind the rear axle.
I am also waiting for Brown Santa the front hubs that Mourer Machien is shipping! We will soon be doing the DREADED brackett racing---ie bracket for this brackett for that!!!! :-P
The Thought for the day :? Marty brought a friend of his down to see the car---Brent walked up and down and then around it---then said:
--Well it sorta reminded him of a female pleasure device :-o
Well I don't know if we will have a female driver or not but I can pretty sure guarantee you that I can name of sevrval guys that T3 (The Texas Tater) will put a smile on their face!! and hopefully a hat on their head!!
Sparky, this will be one kick-Acura thud spud! :cheers:
Now if we can just find a 20mm Vulcan cannon and a few shells ..................... no more competition :evil:
Sexy Thud Spud nose art. :-D
Potato....Dig...................... :roll:Sexy Thud Spud nose art. :-D
They won't let you watch Youtube at work but you can take the time to dig THAT up!? :-D
Man, between yous guys and Tman I'm getting alot of good ideas for our next build, whatever it will be. Diggin' the info. :cheers:
Tueday we will put someone inside to mark where we are going to cut the canopy
Well either John or myself as he has offered and he is going to be the lead canopy guy.
Rex, do you have any renderings of the Thud Spud with the wild weasel nose? It would be good to look at the both with renderings from the sane angle.
Woody,
Is the red spot just in front of the rear tires where the salt is going to stick to the body??
Rex
ok, is this what you were wanting to see?
Had a pretty good day in the shop got 1/2 done what I needed to.
Sparky;
You can increase that percentage even more if you run big wide tires. :-D
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
Guys and gals the new 9 point harness brings some new saftey to the table but it also brings LIMITATIONS.
Our goal is to have cut off the weld table and on the ground by MAY 1, :cry: BHO favorite day!!!
changing of the minds more sessions with the liquid inspired engineers.
neither one think that it is possible for the harness to stretch that much
SS 1 we will next be working on the steering:
After we finished the helment pads Tues. Joey suggested shoulder pads and we though they were a good idea --- I got an email from one Mr. B expressing concern about my "clavicle cleaver" we neither one think that it is possible for the harness to stretch that much---but the shoulder pads are going in!!
Also made at trip to the parts house and asked for the wheel stud catalouge---strange look from the young guy old chick walked behind the shel and handed over a Dorman book and said make yoursef at home call me when you need assistance---most wheel stud a designed to fit a weird size drill bit like 17/32 or such---well I found one that will work with a 9/16th drill .562 and was 2 3/8" which we need longer that the std 2" with our big 1" lug nuts and Taylor Made wheels---only problem only 1 in Phoenix
Sports fans this is begining to get exciting--for I asked my wife to cut the $425.00 check to BNI for SPEEDWEEK!!!!!!!
Just a note: 17/32 dia drill is not an uncommon drill size. It happens to be the recommended drill size for clearance for a 1/2 inch diameter bolt. I know most of us use a 1/2 inch drill for a 1/2 inch bolt but if your drill press is like mine the hole comes out .010 inch larger so the 1/2 inch bolt goes through.
Rex
I ordered some of those Speedway 5/8 before I was smart enought to check how a 5/8 fity my wheels---not :-o only as a last resort will I mangle my Taylor Mades
Anyone have a recomendation as to a sprint car strg quickener that seems to work well in reverse---this puppy is QUICK :roll:
Anyone have a recomendation as to a sprint car strg quickener that seems to work well in reverse---this puppy is QUICK :roll:
Got smaller and longer when you took it off the jig!
Tman yours will too it really gets small we we try to put it on!!! :cheers:
Glen, looking forward to it!!
T-M 204-205" + 32" in frt of frt axle and 6' behind rear should be
Some one told me it reminded them of 60-70s playground equipment ROCKET that replaced the traditional monkey bars!
3 steps forward 2 steps back ordering parts---- sending parts back to get changes made---
Strg box and Wheel inset for scrub radius
The Liner first... you can see the long leg rod for throttle, the masters for the clutch and brake are behind the pedals. The bolt you see in front is when we move to the mid-length leg and there are holes that even move it farther back for the Amo position
Excuse the under construction look of the lakester, that front axle is the new one, built last week. Still putting that part back together.
The slider for the clutch and brake with 4 clamps. Like the Vesco car, infinitely adjustable.
And the throttle set up.... yep lots of holes for movement. We have several stretcher length rods for the Morse cables in both cars.
Well Happy Birthday old man.... not to worry, I hear 70 is the new 50 :-D
Glen---is this the CoS club
Quoting Stainless: "Well Happy Birthday old man.... not to worry, I hear 70 is the new 50" . This means I am only 49!! Darn that feels great!
Rex
Stainless;
"It has never loosened in the 12 years it has been in that configuration..."
Maybe the Bonneville salt will corrode it in place :-)
I'd still put a pin in there.
...as they said aboard the Hindenburg, "We never had that problem before...."
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
Woody, had posted the links to the F-105 Squadron picts. It really is tempting to rename this thing
"Wild Weassel" in honor of the Electronic Warfare versions and the fact that I want to duplicate the nose art of Art Afons "Ole Noisy" his Green Monster #5.
Reading about the Wild Weassels in Viet Nam is an intresting stucy in early air to air electronic warfare.
Wild Weasel has a lot better ring to it & definately appropriate. For what it's worth, you have one vote.
Do you still have the fin's off the 105 tank & are they looking for a home?
Sid.
Neal, the article in the Phoenix Repugnant identified it as A A #5. The fins came off the rear part of some other tank I got from Summner, not the 105---they may have a function in the future. we may use them as part of a smaller diffuser.
. I also have a 101 belly tank, same as my lakester, & four bran new F4 tanks.
'splain please?
Dodge we get more smart and less recall so---- it back to being just like a kid again---no wonder we old geezers enjoy this stuff so much, except for the aches and pains, it just like being 14-16 and learning all over again :-P :cheers:
Brackett racing ----rear chute tube pilot launcher mounts---diag on the push bar/chute anchor, canopy lower rails, water tank mounts, ect ect, we will---had LOTS of vistors Al Eishanbac sp?????---said he should fire his motor tomorrow---MARTY, Bob Mike and Andy came by after 7:00 pm as slow and weird as it is we are now knocking out things that we should not have to visit again!!!!!! yeah !!!!
Found the plate for the nose on the Wild Weasel its the tail end of a pylon tank off a F-86 Saberjet made in 1954---goes well with my F-105 Thunderchief
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/F-86a_sabre_fu-178_kemble_arp.jpg/640px-F-86a_sabre_fu-178_kemble_arp.jpg
and here's the Waza-Vudu , owned and built by Wayne Mumford here in Aus, the body of the car is from a RF101 Voodoo aaaaaaand the canopy and cowell are the tip of the same Sabre tank that was then given to us.... Wayne said "Dunno if you guys can do anything with this?".....The Rev's eyes kind of bugged out of his head a bit when he saw it and he just grabbed it and stuck it in the back of my van...he's got like cartoon character "laser eyes" or something and in one quick pass had visualized the Sabre tank cut axially and laid on top of our Canberra. He was spot on.....anyway here's the Waza-Vudu
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/DrewfusDesigns/SaltStuff/vudu002.jpg)
Neil, I had seen some where in the past when a eng bay explosion had balloon tede body and made the body sealing non existant--- fuel and fire were blown into the drivers compartment and caused much havoc!! what we are doing may or may not help!!
You guys might have wandered off on an over thinking tangent. :?
Sid.
If the panels are going to come on and off I would use camlocks. I get mine from Coast Fabrication and they have just about any grip length you would ever need. Get there catalog, its free and is handy for all the measurements and diagrams in it. http://www.coastfab.com/hardware.html Tony
I am in the middle of a compulsory kitchen remodel not much on the car Maybe Thursday
Buddy---More than once I have paid the price for not "LOVING" them!! loving
Well I do no at have the complete hang of it but I am making progress---until ---I was implored to DIVERT---to installing a rear axle on a "DRIFT TRIKE" seems like the "LONG BOARD" crowd has a new thing
Strip down a bike frame, get you some HF inflatable dolly wheels and an axle about 30-36" wide weld on the back of the bike frame get some 4-5" sections of PVC schedule 40 that will fit over the deflated tires-- air them up inside the sections of PVC weld a seat on the axle---WALLA one has a drift trike---much like a big wheel
Go find a steep hill with curves and you have the makings of an adrenilin induced head trama--if you drift into the front bumper of an oncoming car or go over the side of the mountain at 45-60 MPH
Well we ordered a bunch of stuff for the turbos exhaust fabrication Tues. Today I got the sad news that these turbos I have are not suitable for LSR Instead of the BIG DD 60 turbos I have the S 400 350 HP stationary eng version---great if you want a 700 hp + or - street eng
But all is not lost-- the big single Garrett I have is good enough for the shake down blow through 468 & 496 I have most of the parts for---this will get me started then when we find if this thing will go straight---we can then MAYBE we can spend the big bucks for the KILLER turbo and put it on my good eng and shoot for the BIG marbles!!!! :roll:
Sparky, are you going to send this off to make it a blow thru carb? If so to whom? How many$. thanks . Your faithful follower, George
For the money, the best turbo that I have found are the holset HT3b and the Holset HT60.The guy I'm using for my reboring etc uses Holset HX55 units and has a front wheel drive import they're getting 900HP out of for drag racing. This is a young and has the finances to buy any turbo he wants but says the Holset is the best value for money and hasn't broken one yet. Not bad for a turbo that was made for diesel trucks.
The exhaust sides are the same. The HT60 have an island cfm of about 850. The HT3bs are about 780 cfm.
Both of these turbos are extremely robust and have a .50 shaft diameter.
These turbo spin the opposite direction than the Garrett's and BW which will make them more work to convert once you want to spend more money on Garrett GT47xx or whatever.
You can usually find these turbos for under $300 a piece used. These are very good quality turbos. I understand that Cummins contributed a lot of money for R and D for these units.
Try to find units with 23cm turbine housing.
Remember, inducer size is not the only number you should care about. The inducer size is a better measurement when comparing turbos within a family of turbos of the same manufacturer.
500ci is pretty much the limit for these Holsets but they can support 1800 hp (ht3b) and 2000 hp (HT60) in twin form.
I have had a lot of issues putting Garrett GT4708s on my liner. Knowing what I know now, I would of just used my HT3bs off of Vinny.
Wow, shopping for a turbo sounds more confusing than shopping for a computer! :-D
Come on Bill, give us some pics...... :-D
Cap'nT, :-o I suspect that C&S must buy the bodies from Holley as raw blanks, and they make their own "blocks" and at the hp. range we eventually hope to reach we had to go with the dual needle seat float bowls. Gordon at Superior manufactures and sells to several aftermarket carb. modification companes that build higher hp. carbs the require much larger amounts of fuel to the bowls.
Gordon really recomended at least a 2" spacer for a "calming" plenumun area above the carb. That spacer is also necessary if one wants to run the hat straight back or forward with "factory single needle valve bowls". Both Hooley and I are planning on running the hat straight.
I am going to have to swap my "blocks" front to back because I am mounting my carb backwards with the fuel lines on the drivers side of the car because of some extensions that I am not familiar with that are installed because of G load fuel sloshing that we really do not have to deal with but because they are installed we need to put them pointing to the rear.
Bill, you've got a PM regarding boost control stuff. Come to think of it, I think I owe Tman a phone call about boost control stuff too...
Jon, Some how I knew some bike guy was going to speak up---but the SIZE of the turbo stuff makes a huge difference---there is a reason why some of these cars are so large--Speed Deamon and others come to mind---when you start trying to make a lot of HP---there are big cooling problems that must be dealt with virtually every system on the car.
Jon, Some how I knew some bike guy was going to speak up---but the SIZE of the turbo stuff makes a huge difference---there is a reason why some of these cars are so large--Speed Deamon and others come to mind---when you start trying to make a lot of HP---there are big cooling problems that must be dealt with virtually every system on the car.
Got the HRM issue with the Speed Demon on the bench right now studying it. It is amazing how LITTLE the intercoolers are! The plumbing takes up the bulk of the space. I am using it as a template for my own packaging and i think I am winning the battle!
Jon, Some how I knew some bike guy was going to speak up---but the SIZE of the turbo stuff makes a huge difference---there is a reason why some of these cars are so large--Speed Deamon and others come to mind---when you start trying to make a lot of HP---there are big cooling problems that must be dealt with virtually every system on the car.
Got the HRM issue with the Speed Demon on the bench right now studying it. It is amazing how LITTLE the intercoolers are! The plumbing takes up the bulk of the space. I am using it as a template for my own packaging and i think I am winning the battle!
Hey Trent,
oh, the confidence...... If you think you're winning the battle, I wanna bet you an IPA. When we pulled the pinion in the SOS during Speedweek here, there were a few raised eyebrows when I said , "we have to lift the water tank (220lbs) and hoist the motor to pull the tail-shaft enough to undo the pinion nut....." true.... but you'll have more room than that........
Wow. That's all I can say. Wow.
Night before last Nancy and I went to a blues show here in Marquette. Good music -- a father, son, and nephew from Mississippi, and - ready for this -- a 19-year-old white kid from Cheyenne, Wyoming. He's the lead guitar. Freakin' AMAZINGLY GREAT!
19 years old -- what's he going to be when he's been playing the blues for more than the eight years he's got in already?
But put him on lead and fiddlin' around with this lyric -- I'd pay money to see that show.
Okay, back to Sparky's car thread.
Finally I think I "heard" the car tell me how to mount them.
got a little more done--have one turbo nailed down and just need to massage the other ones locating bracket---then tack---
Buddy, we are building an in series inter cooler using two cores and 2 water pumps so the air will be exposed to 18" of core and we plan to running around 35- 40 gals of ice water through the 2 core on a pass! there are some picts some where we are in the final stages of construction---we have to mount the turbos then build both ends of the inter cooler plenums. I ordered the 4" 90 for the outlet end should be here next week.
Sent the ECU off today to BigStuff 3 -- should be able to upgrade it to get most of what I need done
1. Add a second wb O2
2 add individual coils
3 add baro compensation
4 increase the data logging time
You could run the Tilton elec gear oil pump. I did a little street rod, a few years back, that I ring pumped through a large tube trans cooler. That was enough to let me run 40w on the street, which really helps when your hotrod only has 1600cc! It looks like that little pump is cheaper than a couple rolls of heat wrap...which is a real testament to overpricing of simple stuff, in my opinion.
The best heat proofing you could do, perhaps, would be to strip the catalytic converter/exhaust pipe shields out of a late model small front-wheel-drive car. These are running down the center tunnel. They use a dimpled aluminum that is so thin (but stiff enough due to dimplng) that it moves the heat very fast over a lot of distance. This allows the very hot cats to live very close to the floor, without problems for the life of the car. They can even run the exhaust pipe through a relief in the fuel tank without driving tank into boil. Float the shields between the components, then lots of bolts where you feel like dumping the calories...through aluminum washers. The shapes you need are already there.
Thin aluminum and lots of area is why the fish cooks slow on the BBQ when wrapped in too big a fold of aluminum foil. If you leave part of the foil hanging out in cool air, it wont cook at all! Found out the hard way when I thought I'd be clever and make myself a big handle that wasnt in the heat....the evening got dark long before the salmon did. Add the mosquitos, and dinner in the tent was potato chips, green beans, and bottled water.....but I woke up in the night understanding why the heat shields got so long and thin.
Regards, JimL
I would bet that heat shield has to have some air flow or heat sinks as Jim L suggested. I was planning on isolating the exh. tubing inside of a "Duct" from the outside skin to the turbo area and some reverse scoops on the bottom of the car for the heated air to rejoin it's brothers and sisters in the low pressure area under the car. I have burned the plug wires off Ratical I would just as soon not do it on the Weasel.
Again guys, this is SO helpful to have so many thinking about this---there already 4 or 5 changes or additions that will make into the final product, and even more before we get this thing sorted out.
Spent the day over at Sparkys working with he and John. After today I have a much better understanding of why at times it takes months and even years building a LSR from scratch. After much time and effort trying to connect the exhaust logs to the turbo and having a piece of tubing bent ( and pretty much ruined ) Sparky decided to go a different route on the tubing and was headed to the parts store to buy more tubing. Ill head back over there next week to give him a hand where needed. Thanks Sparky and John for answering the questions I had in regards to what Im thinking of doing.
Sorry no picts. still looking for the battery charger.
We all have a much better idea of what you mean by crowded. Keep up the good work Sparky and crew! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Pete
Hoping to be able to do around 1200 + or - 100
LOL ohhh for the joys and simplicity of an Inliner--- :-D
I got to sit in the WW with a helmet on for quite some time while Sparky and I thought about control placements. I almost made race car noises while he was out of the room for a few minutes, almost lol. I could get used to being in there. :-D
You would be correct Dr G I did them in my head while trying to imagine being strapped in, looking down the salt :-D
;You would be correct Dr G I did them in my head while trying to imagine being strapped in, looking down the salt :-D
latest when it became reality....you be strapped in....looking down the salt.....hear the real noise of the engine.....
.............you start to think.........WHAT THE HECK I'M DOING HERE............... :-D :cheers:
;You would be correct Dr G I did them in my head while trying to imagine being strapped in, looking down the salt :-D
latest when it became reality....you be strapped in....looking down the salt.....hear the real noise of the engine.....
.............you start to think.........WHAT THE HECK I'M DOING HERE............... :-D :cheers:
I used to think that when I was rappelling down into a deep cave. That was a while ago, though!
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ ex- NSS 7676
Pork Pie, someday I hope to get that chance as you did.
;You would be correct Dr G I did them in my head while trying to imagine being strapped in, looking down the salt :-D
latest when it became reality....you be strapped in....looking down the salt.....hear the real noise of the engine.....
.............you start to think.........WHAT THE HECK I'M DOING HERE............... :-D :cheers:
I used to think that when I was rappelling down into a deep cave. That was a while ago, though!
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ ex- NSS 7676
I would not worry too much about that strainer. It may restrict flow. I have never known anybody to have a problem with ice going through the pump. Most of our gang use the Rule submersible pumps and they just seem to pass the smaller chunks through. The nice thing is that ice always floats. As long as you are sucking from bottom of tank, you should be getting cold water and not much ice.
Rob don't those rule pumps have built in strainers? ...
It also looks great to see a post done by S U M N E R.
One of the kids came back to the family.
FREUD
I really like that look. It reminds me of some cool old airplanes.
And some of them were real fast!
There were a couple good reasons for it, and it has been used on other applications where glare makes steering, conning, piloting, etc difficult.
Regards, JimL
....I still think it would be better to reduce the canopy drag and overcome any lift that may be generated by an aerodynamic canopy elsewhere.
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
Sparky, that canopy looks big in the pics. I'm glad you took a pic next to it, because that really gives it perspective!
Looking good! :cheers:
Sparky, that canopy looks big in the pics. I'm glad you took a pic next to it, because that really gives it perspective!
Looking good! :cheers:
(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9404.0;attach=41591;image)
So this raises the question is the canopy too small or the Texan too big or are they both about right :-P,
Sum
Sum, This is for Crankcase vacuum ---...
Canopy sheet metal---uck, uck, CAN there many things worse than sheet metal :?
Bummer, Are you still planning on attending speed week. i will be there all week and was hoping to meet you and talk about trucks
Hey Sparky, you've been quite the social butterfly, all that big Texan charm.....personally I am regretting every minute that I'm not there and every time I see someone saying "I met Sparky" I think to myself ...." Well, I always had THIS!"...
oh you poor thing :cry:
all that horrible IPA......
Once again, I wish I was there, I could have helped. :cheers:
Dr G, you were on the minds of many of us while up on the salt this weekend. I did meet one of your fellow countrymen Graham at the Salt Talks and I walked away with a SoS t-shirt at the salt talks raffle
... Still lots to do but we are getting a glitter at the end of the tunnel....
from movie "Music Man"
" We have trouble, trouble, right here in Dessert City! And it is spelled CANOPY,
The way I built this thing, trying to take advantage of it original shape is proving to be PROBLEMATIC !!!!!!!!!
The way I designed and built the instrument panel; I do not have NOW have as much room to fold up to get out:
First step is easy--John and I cut out the front roll bar hoop yesterday. The several of "Tech Inspectors" didn't like its double bend any way. One less area of concern. now to get the replacement finished coped and tacked to see if that opens it up ENOUGH to not require a complete redoing of the instrument panel area.
.....
maybe I will get brave enough to try getting in and out today--- if I can I will install the belts and try a bail out...
:-D hate to disappoint you guys---but by throwing my left leg over the side and sticking my right knee is the lower left side of the canopy I can now get out -.......an here I thought I'd get a call in the morning from Linda asking if I knew where you took off to :-)
.....
ECU
ECU data logging start
Quick data
Quick data logging start
mechanical pump, mechanical shut off
Sum all of the data logging that I have require a secondary "signal" to start logging either time, throttle position, rpm or a separate switch
... In honor of the F 105 "Wild Weasels" from which my bomb bay tank came from...I spent my Air Force hitch as an F-105D flight simulator specialist in Germany (49th Tactical). I never heard of "Wild Weasels"- was that one particular fighter wing?
... In honor of the F 105 "Wild Weasels" from which my bomb bay tank came from...I spent my Air Force hitch as an F-105D flight simulator specialist in Germany (49th Tactical). I never heard of "Wild Weasels"- was that one particular fighter wing?
80% done 80% to go now I understand special construction taking so long---you are constantly taking things off and putting them back on to see if things will clear :-( an learning new skills because you are doing something for the first time it takes so long!!!!!!
80% done 80% to go now I understand special construction taking so long---you are constantly taking things off and putting them back on to see if things will clear :-( and learning new skills because you are doing something for the first time it takes so long!!!!!!
I must be getting punch drunk about when I thought guys were going to show up---solo in shop today lots of little stuff---only thing worth posting is the battery mount---beside the right side of the block behind fuel pump area.
More pics! More pics!
....l we like will have to order more Dzus and springs & 4 long tabs today from S&S Eng. to finish...
Foamed the front side tonight---will clean and trim --then caulk the eng side tomorrow!
Foamed the front side tonight---will clean and trim --then caulk the eng side tomorrow!
Sparky, help me out on this one.....don't understand what you are talking about!
Gregg, he is referring to the bulkhead/firewall between the drivers compartment and engine bay. He's putting a layer of insulation on the drivers side of the bh as an added layer of protection besides the bead of firestop on the engine side of the bh.
Gregg
Distilled water is preferable to tap water for use in automotive cooling systems. The minerals and ions typically found in tap water can be corrosive to internal engine components, and can cause a more rapid depletion of the anti-corrosion additives found in most antifreeze formulations.
I am trying to leave the area in front of the dry sump pump open so that I can get a battery impact wrench in there to be able to spin it to prime the oiling system.Sparky,
Sparky,, Stainless is right on the angle drill, Home Depot or Lowes have them and you would be supprised how often you will us it. I have one Roybe and two air 90 deg. drills. I have two 90 deg. adapters as well and a pain to use in most cases. Keep up on the build and keep us posted. :cheers:
..it has two G-meters that record linear and lateral Gs.
Personally I think that angle looks absolutely sinister....
Can't wait to see it in person. :cheers:
Well it's definitely different Sparky. Reminiscent of the Curtis Flying Boat of the 1920's.
What was the reason behind the design?
Sid.
No heat or criticism intended, just pure interest. I have no expertise to know how good or bad it will be in the air but it definately adds character.Well it's definitely different Sparky. Reminiscent of the Curtis Flying Boat of the 1920's.
What was the reason behind the design?
Sid.
I'll take some of the heat on this. Ruth and I were on our way home from Fl via CA and staying at Sparky's a year ago (2012) when at the time there was some hope to get to the salt that year. The problem was how to come up with a canopy in short order that might work, at least for a while. I kind of designed it with the thought the front is teardrop shaped, rounded, and the idea was to send the air down the sides of the car from the front of it. I did a rough hammer form of the top and we put it on and I said don't be affraid to use some bondo 8-).
As PP says 'it isn't how you go into the air it is .....".
The pictures make it look much higher than it is. Here is a picture that better showes its height....
(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9404.0;attach=41591;image)
.. If I remember right it is about 5-6 inches. Of course they have done a lot more with it since I was involved.
I think the plan is to run with it and make a decision after the car runs and also when there is more time to make something more traditional but still feel it isn't a bad design from the aero perspective. With the front not being laid back the vision is not distorted like on some so you have a good view down track.
I feel it is hard sometimes to realize just how much time goes into these cars. You can see a complete car with a slick body/canopy and just kind of think it happens somehow. Summit Racing doesn't carry this stuff :-),
Sum
Not a slip!
Sid.
I better get busy and make sure I have a date with "Ms Liberty". Andy and I cut the new panels for the bottom and the 4 panels that the above and below the headers. I will try to start cutting out for the headers and welding some tabs today. Instruments and seat belts up front.
"Miss Liberty" was built with one thing in mind :wink: To show someone a good time on the bed :-o Dry Lake Bed that is :-D
"Miss Liberty" was built with one thing in mind :wink: To show someone a good time on the bed :-o Dry Lake Bed that is :-D
Buddy, is that the new paint scheme?????.
Franey, will you be at El M?
If you need me, I have a camera with me.
FREUD
If you need me, I have a camera with me.
FREUD
He needs you :-). Take a telephoto full side view from some distance so we can work on the car's center of pressure point. Thanks and also have a great time :-)
Sum
They got the leg restraint issue taken care of and moved the main elect. shutoff to the extreme rear of the car and were signed off to run up to 150 and are also suppose to deploy both chutes. They hope to get in at least one run on Sunday. They say the weather has been great there,
Sum
Sparky is not new mto the lakes, has been over 200 mph. Sold that car and built the new one,, new car check out and driver to learn the car as well. :cheers:
I talked to Sparky earlier in the evening. They have a couple things that need addressed on the car but believe they can handle them and still get a chance to run the car. He sounded real good about it and I'm sure he is excited. I am and would be,
Sum
Tom, Stan B and all who dropped by---thanks I hope my hospitality manners we not to frayed.
Tom thanks for posting--you took the pict. that captures the two MAJOR things that we missed.
1. I am on the ground working on getting the leg restraint installed: I marked it a 1 1/2 years ago and never drilled the holes thanks to O'Rileys $15.95 lap belt kit and borrowing a step drill from Bill Ward's team we got that handled.
2. Andy and Marty are working on the battery disconnect -- I had completely missed the rule change about the cut offs needing to be at the ends of the cars.
All in all a good first "date" for Ms Liberty. She and I have some visibility issues starting with major fogging inside of Andy helmet visor. The next race possible is May of 14 at EL M.
We won a BLM season pass to El Mirage at the El M 200 Banquet Sat. Night---so I guess we will have to go back. :-D
.... I do not know what the SCTA/Goodyear speed limit is on the new "Top Fuel" tire, 4 x 17 Goodyear part number 808-130-089 which is about an inch wider but still is made to fit a 17 x 2.5 wheel.... Rex
um,That might not be long enough for Sparky! :roll:
Yes it is the 2904 which is the front tire that Top Fuel has been running for the last 2-3 years. As I said I am not sure what the speed rating is, I do know that the older tire had a life of about 4-6 seconds on the rim at 275 mph.
Rex
Sum, yes the 2904 is the 17 x 4 inch Frontrunner the TF cars are using. Back in about '06 they were finding with the narrower 3 inch Frontrunner at 310+ the tires were starting to blister and chunk rubber. Since moving to the 4 inch tire and creating a larger contact patch they have resolved the problem
Henderson North Carolina ---does anyone live near there?
Is it one of those cruises where you sail out and they tow you home? Just kidding.
:evil: Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
The only thing we ran out of was time and Linda's Deviled Eggs..
Party broke up at 10:30 Rob and crew pulled out of her a little after 8:00 mst headed for LA. Sorry that I didn't get to say hello to all be t meet several new folks. Thanks to all who attended Linda and I sure enjoyed being host.
Great idea :cheers: we should have a 3-4 times a year get to gather here in the VALLEY of us 'zonies
Any progress being made over there?
LOL I dont get over there anymore and I hadnt seen any updates so I figured Id ask. You guys will have the SoS here for SW correct Dg.G?
... thats a lot of surface area behind the rear tires...Wouldn't that be desirable if the car wanted to yaw (or spin)?
Tale of two runs
9/17/08 Qualifying
wind 0.0
temp 86.8
DA 6247
time speed
1/4 3.658 245.988
1st 13.718 262.446
mid 12.369 291.028
3rd 11.842 303.985
out .092 307.879
9/18/08 Back up
wind 5. NNW
temp 64.0
DA 4848
time Speed
1/4 3.334 269.942
1st 12.865 279.823
mid 12.101 297.488
3rd 11.742 306.569
out 2.907 309.526
I have my ideas on what this is telling me but I would welcome comments much like we got about the SOS runs
Thanks in advance for your ideas on what you think I could learn from this info. Help us all understand what all there is to learn from comparing time slips.
What JL said!
As the top speeds were real close even with a much better 21/4 time, its going as fast as it can with the hp you have.
Better streamlining, smaller body, or more power.
JL222
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COOL, :mrgreen: never seen a 12 to 13 inch Micrometer before! :cheers:
... it's a 16" to 20" mike...The micrometer barrel sure doesn't appear to have 4" of travel. Are there removal anvil extensions?
.."Organ Pizza"...?....Yeah. You don't wanna see how they make sausage. :roll: :cheers: Wayno
... yesterday was Friday the 13th...That could not have been his problem. As Pogo used to say in the comic strip- "When Friday the 13th falls on a Friday, all is well; but when Friday the 13th falls on a Tuesday... or a Saturday... or whatever- watch out!" :evil:
Marty came by last night and welded the axle brackets to the new axel and the frame brackets so I now have a axle I can take in and out. I am taking the time to reroute the brake lines so shield them from the turbos when we get there. Once again I am reminded why folks say that Special construction takes 3 to 4 times as long as door slammers. Every thing is a long thinking process as well as having to "BRACKET RACE" your way through the whole process.
Marty came by last night and welded the axle brackets to the new axel and the frame brackets so I now have a axle I can take in and out. I am taking the time to reroute the brake lines to shield them from the turbos when we get there. Once again I am reminded why folks say that Special construction takes 3 to 4 times as long as door slammers. Every thing is a long thinking process as well as having to "BRACKET RACE" your way through the whole process.
I like making brackets. I like everything. :-) Wayno
...Special thanks to Sum for his coaching and to Wayneo--for his attitude adjustment inspiration about brackets!!!
Sum is posting the video that he shot at the T&T on his
Sum is posting the video that he shot at the T&T on his
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scDFy296-N0&list=UUxFiJQoy2NEbltvkvT2q71g
Tom G.
.... He was very pleased to hear that the bag was actually inverting over the pilot---less wear and tear on both, as well as less kiteing of the pilot!
Sid they are the same diam.--If you run them on the same length tow line they will both stay open. Unequal length & the back one will drop when the front one kills the air, not much use if the low speed isn't twice the size of the high speed. You don't gain anything by tossing out #2 except as a backup if #1 fails.
Bob now has me using a really small "hanky" pilot with no spring---the old one would have the chute out of the bag and open before it got to the end of the tether; this one does not. At 227 it was just a small tug---as we work the speeds up it will be interesting to see how much that changes.
Bill;
Good post! I consider my build diary as a way of passing along some of the things that I've learned along the way. Most of the stuff was learned from others, from reading & studying, and by trial and error. If someone learns something from by build diary, it has accomplished its purpose. I learn from reading other peoples' build diaries-- they are a valuable resource.
We old guys owe a debt to those we learned from to pass along that knowledge.
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
Build Blog Blather!!!
Which brings us to my latest finding: A lot of you know that I am a fan of the GM 7.5 rear axle----when I built my latest axle I made it as wide as I could using the stock housing---I knew I was pushing its small 2 5/8" axle tubes with the way I was mounting it in a Lakester---way inboard from the way it mounts in a car. The Inspectors at the T&T and I discussed this possibility.
Between tying it down on the trailer, trailering it for 1700 miles and running it 20 +miles we now have tube deflection, we have a plan to build an axle girdle to prevent & stop this deflection. Marty, Sum and I have noodled out a PLAN of attack :-D that should work.
Thanks for sharing, thanks to all who post their reservations, and or experiences---
this is the kind of stuff that helps us all build, SAFER, faster cars and bikes!!
YMMV wmts'64
Lexan Help
I have been running searches but can not seem to find it!
I need to form an 8" x 26" x .092 piece of Lexan or something into a a big U with about a 5" radius on the front that I look through.
My Sr. mind seems to recall something about Olive oil :?
Lexan HelpSparky,
I have been running searches but can not seem to find it!
Ya, but with the driver up front, he's the first one to the accident scene.Stainless says he doesn't remember.
Doug :evil: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
.... and measured my wife's oven..
GEEZE how could we be working on so many things--- we just ran this think 2 weeks ago
KiWi Paul it is a 9 point!
CAUTION----MAKE SURE of your control & switch placements 9 points are different you are very locked down
lol
I may be down there sometime helping Francis with the fiberglass!!
....Sparky, one of the things that I have seen work very well is to have the fuel pump driven from the back of the dry sump pump. Not hard to do and you eliminate an extra belt/pulley/mounting bracket and if the drive belt to the dry sump breaks or pitches the fuel pump stops and kills the engine, hopefully before the crank starts to weld to the bearings.
Just a thought. Rex
Marty came by this afternoon and we loaded "miss LIBERTY" on the newly decked trailer
Holley does not have one manifold in stock for LS 1 2 or 6 heads back ordered since before Christmas expect del 2-20----3-01 2015
3 on the car you can barley see the blue tape where the front of the canopy will be
You keep drinking that barley mash and you won't be seeing much.
Stan
AL E called today,, ragging me about my "GIRLie MTR. and its need for hair dryers! He is coming along on his 300 inch early Windsor hemi that he is going to load up with a HEAVY LOAD of Nitro!!
John is coming over Tues to help pull the 565 from Ms Liberty!!
Well we have commissioned a 2.98" stroke 4.8 crank should let us run up to a 4.040 bore
May I suggest that you at least bring your camera's date/time stamp up to speed or drop it off?
We were quoted over $2000. to remove it. Turns out the thing weighed almost 10,000 lbs---
Do the best you can. Drill 'em, mill 'em, ream 'em, whatever. Don't tighten everything down, and then just tighten everything while it's running and let it self-align. Works every time (usually).
Stan
I am sure that a lot of this stuff I am JUST being paranoid about but the "sig line" at the bottom of Fordboy's post "about the attention to the little things" just keep ringing through my head.
... than be the teensiest bit stupid...Hey! You're talkin' to an awful lot of us folks!
... than be the teensiest bit stupid...Hey! You're talkin' to an awful lot of us folks!
Stupid sounds so harsh. For myself, I prefer woefully ignorant. :mrgreen:
Mike
I was under the assumption that an LS block and an older SBC/BBC had the same bolt pattern where the trans and engine mate up. Only a spacer was needed in the back of an LS crank for an older TH or PG input shaft to ride in it? Is this not the case Sparky?
There's an extra bolt hole at 12 o'clock, but other than that, it's a direct mate up. We use a McLeod bellhousing specific to our drivetrain (LS -> Jerico)
and it's worked really well the past 5 years. My brother has an LS with a TH400 behind it, he uses a spacer to mate things up.
FB are we going to have another Dyno Lottery??????
Sparky,
... I may have to start drinking Miller Genuine Draft again . . . . . . .
Keep at it buddy.
:cheers:
Fordboy
Sum is coming into town for a vist---can't wait to hear about his trip and to get him to help me wire, test and tune the data logging STUFF.
Francis may come up later also so that we maybe able to finish the CANOPY.
I know we need the AC to make that possible for us GOMs
Thank goodness it never did get really hot yesterday or today!!
we call that bingenginering :-D :cheers:
Maybe we should consider a cornea transplant to enable the driver to see out his posterior .
Sparky,does the steering come up when the canopy is moved to the up position,or is the steering locked down.
Well Sumner came by this morning and we spent most of the day noodling planning and cutting on Ms Liberty's nose picts to follow
We have to get busy if we are going too install a new front axel. build new axel fairings and redo the canopy!!
Ms Liberty has a new bonnet Francis brought up yesterday---pict soon
We should finish the new rear axel today and have her back on her own two feet soon.
Sparky,
Since you are a "wheels away from the body" guy (which I also think is the best plan for a lakester) maybe you should do something like Rob and Brandon did on their streamliner as you are intending to cover the rear axle to streamline it why not make the axle covers a good aerofoil shape and be able to give it some angle of attack or better yet put a small flap on the rear to set the down force.
Great to hear you ran well.
Rex
Sparky,
Since you are a "wheels away from the body" guy (which I also think is the best plan for a lakester) maybe you should do something like Rob and Brandon did on their streamliner as you are intending to cover the rear axle to streamline it why not make the axle covers a good aerofoil shape and be able to give it some angle of attack or better yet put a small flap on the rear to set the down force.
Great to hear you ran well.
Rex
If you steamline the axle, you are a "streamliner".
John
Grumm, I am surprised- :-o --you of all people should have enough experience with car owners to know they are not necessarily logical nor practical :-)
Have you considered surgery? :evil:
Sid.
just getting the small stuff done---bought two ground tarps today at Chi-com central today
Come on Sparky, let's see some pics of your racecar!!!!!! That camera battery must be charged by now!Yeah! :evil:
Rex
PM a pic to Mikey... Make everyone else come to the salt to see it :-o
See you in a week... on the salt 8-)
:cheers:
Just about got thinks drained and removed so that I can pull the Dry sump pump off and see if any metal has gone through the gears==it is till hotter than blazes here in AZI went out on a breakdown at 6am & had to turn the heater on so it's getting cool here in Blazes ID. :-D
Thanks again to the unknown Photographer who caught W.T.'s first pass at El M in Oct. and posted on another site!! John sent it to me. Thanks to all who make EL M possible!!!!
Sid, I have thought of it---I have 2--
but I haven't found Trans companies who would speculate how well the OD would hold up with 1000-1500 HP ---also the 2.48 low would could be a bit much but it is something to REALLY consider---then with maybe a lower rear ratio :-D
Sid, I have thought of it---I have 2--The 4L80E O/D planetary is actually bigger than the G/V unit. Mate, you ain't gunna hurt one with 1500 puny's! :roll:. If you're not game to build one yourself, any trans shop can freshen one up with a Hughes Red kit.
but I haven't found Trans companies who would speculate how well the OD would hold up with 1000-1500 HP ---also the 2.48 low would could be a bit much but it is something to REALLY consider---then with maybe a lower rear ratio :-D
Sid, I have thought of it---I have 2--The 4L80E O/D planetary is actually bigger than the G/V unit. Mate, you ain't gunna hurt one with 1500 puny's! :roll:. If you're not game to build one yourself, any trans shop can freshen one up with a Hughes Red kit.
but I haven't found Trans companies who would speculate how well the OD would hold up with 1000-1500 HP ---also the 2.48 low would could be a bit much but it is something to REALLY consider---then with maybe a lower rear ratio :-D
The high mileage used one hanging on the back of the Twin turbo Duramax was going to be a temporary to get it on the road 3 yrs ago & we figured once we turned up the boost & blew through the clutches we'd build a stout one. Well....after many drag strips, plus running Drag Week, plus a blown up engine, plus 30K+ miles & three sets of Hoosiers & a blown up Jones quickchange, it's still in there. :-o
I would have used one in the liner but didn't want to turn the T-cases & drivelines that fast so I went with a 400 & O/D's on the pinions.
The G/V is the old Laycock unit from England that was in old Jags & BMC junk back when Adam was a cowboy, G/V bought the rights & tooling for them. I sure don't like the free wheeling sprag clutch for a race car.
Sid.
but mostly he just feeds the stove and pushes snow around in the winter :-D
I did my apprenticeship in NZ working on BMC & Jag & had many Laycock's apart back then when they had high speed lubrication problems, the gear vendor I checked out when looking into them for my liner was identical to the late model J with the big pump & the 1-3/8 output shaft, they even have Laycock cast on the housing.Sid, I have thought of it---I have 2--The 4L80E O/D planetary is actually bigger than the G/V unit. Mate, you ain't gunna hurt one with 1500 puny's! :roll:. If you're not game to build one yourself, any trans shop can freshen one up with a Hughes Red kit.
but I haven't found Trans companies who would speculate how well the OD would hold up with 1000-1500 HP ---also the 2.48 low would could be a bit much but it is something to REALLY consider---then with maybe a lower rear ratio :-D
The high mileage used one hanging on the back of the Twin turbo Duramax was going to be a temporary to get it on the road 3 yrs ago & we figured once we turned up the boost & blew through the clutches we'd build a stout one. Well....after many drag strips, plus running Drag Week, plus a blown up engine, plus 30K+ miles & three sets of Hoosiers & a blown up Jones quickchange, it's still in there. :-o
I would have used one in the liner but didn't want to turn the T-cases & drivelines that fast so I went with a 400 & O/D's on the pinions.
The G/V is the old Laycock unit from England that was in old Jags & BMC junk back when Adam was a cowboy, G/V bought the rights & tooling for them. I sure don't like the free wheeling sprag clutch for a race car.
Sid.
Sid;
If the Gear Vendors overdrive really is the old Laycock de Normanville unit they must have redesigned it completely. Ferrari used that design on their 250 series street cars in the '60s (with a taller planetary OD ratio) and it didn't last long behind the 3 liter engines. That's rather odd because the Ferrari had only moderate torque but could rev to 7,000 or 7,500 RPM red line. So many eventually failed that spare parts became unavailable. Since it was built in Italy under license, some Jaguar & Austin Healy internal parts would fit but not many. I wonder how GV made it withstand 6 times its original rating?
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
Conan i.n Kokomo In has my dream T 400 --- 2.10 1.40 1.0 and with a GV .78 the splits are so sweet but ohhh so "dear" about 6000. of themI bought all the parts & built my own with the same ratios, all the best billet parts, straight cut planetary gears, 7 clutch billet drums, manual valve body kit, 300M input shaft, TCI direct drive plus an Ultra Bell & it still cost me $4900 in parts plus all the time to cut down the case :cry: & there's a right case & a whole bunch of wrong cases to use.
Because...??? :?
... we will rebuild with a flywheel... I suspect we need the mass for its gyroscope influence...I suspect you meant "mass for its rotational inertia influence"? The gyroscopic influence wouldn't seem desirable- the car trying to nose down or up in response to steering acceleration- or vice-versa, or- either of these responses due to engine acceleration/deceleration.
.... That's a planetary just like the 4L80! ....I was under the impression that it was also the overdrive clutches that might not be up to it.
Sid --we are using an old 427 crank we had, and planning for a couple of 9000 shift points on a couple of them if we have to---do not know just where the power band will be just yet.At nine grand you will have gone from revolutions to revelations with a BBC even with that little crank. Keeping the spark alive up there might be interesting unless you have a crank trigger system but the big thing will be the valve train, it won't like it for long.
Sparky,Liar..liar..pants on fire!! :-D
Go to Sid's if you get a chance. A hotrodder's hot rod shop.
Terry
repurpose of parts---sold my 4150 blow through and turning it in to Eaton's True track 8.8 custom 33 spline and a pair of axles.
Sparky, those button things don't work. A buddy of mine bought one a couple of years ago. Been pushing the button every day. Still can't get it up.
If you max out your RPM in high gear, you are geared wrong! :evil:
We started using a shift light after the 2012 SpeedWeek... getting Pork Pie to rev the motor high enough was a chore... he had to spend a lot of driving time looking at the the unstable needle on the tach. Installed a shift light and the problem was solved at the World Finals.
Of course when the wheels break loose due to a rough course, the light will come on and make you shift a bit early... we still count shifts :-o
If you max out your RPM in high gear, you are geared wrong! :evil:
We started using a shift light after the 2012 SpeedWeek... getting Pork Pie to rev the motor high enough was a chore... he had to spend a lot of driving time looking at the the unstable needle on the tach. Installed a shift light and the problem was solved at the World Finals.
Of course when the wheels break loose due to a rough course, the light will come on and make you shift a bit early... we still count shifts :-o
Hey Doc, most guys start to cringe a little when the motor passes 10000 RPM, sounds pretty wound out... you're sure the valves will float, tag and blow apart.... 'cept ya need to wind it another 3K before you shift. It does have a rev limiter... and that keeps you from going much past 13K and floating the valves...
Sounds about the same as when you burn a valve... then you have to look at the tach and say Subaru! it ain't on the limiter.
If you want to really scare yourself... listen to one of those 600 motors that rev to 16000 :-o :cheers:
And those Honda tachs have a bullf#&$ factor built in....
Oh boy is that so true about the Susuk's speedo's also--Russ and I sure found out about
To you – 35-dolla.
How much air cleaner to filter 500 HP worth of air
PoDunk does good work
Francis is working on the hood scoop and I worked on the new exhaust system
But not to many female voices saying "Come here lover boy" :cry:
... this thing is 1 meter long...No- not unless it's a full 39.37 inches.
... That sure does have a lot of sparky plug wires!...Aren't they mostly air lines?
This has been discussed before I think but
I am unhappy with the weather strip tape that I have for a canopy seal.
Is there some gasket in a tube that does not cure as hard as the ultra seal type?
Thanks we will go look again
C'mon, Jack -- don't you remember the Constellation? President Eisenhower's presidential plane was a Connie named "Columbine". :roll:
...-" if you are going to work the ponies you have to feed them" :-D we are planning on working them!
We were at the very North end by the last porta pottiesSid, they were waaaay toooo close to them! :x
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'ratical' not found in any dictionaries... :?
... 'ratical'...I searched the first page of that thread without success. Do I need to search all of the remaining 9 pages? :x
... I think it's defined here: http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,5897.0.html (http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,5897.0.html)...
... Old hot rod quote. Jack you're too young to remember...At 78 I'm rarely labelled "too young"... :roll:
... 'ratical'...I searched the first page of that thread without success. Do I need to search all of the remaining 9 pages? :x
... I think it's defined here: http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,5897.0.html (http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,5897.0.html)...
I am so frustrated I can not spit
I have been trying to get B'ville legal race gas since dec-18 so that we can dyno the new A eng maybe this week if have been told a few times---we have to know where we are with this eng
Sure send me you contact info Neil I lost all of mine in my tussell with Apple
What about Sunoco MaximalMaximal for unblown MaxNos for blown
Clean up of front steering is under way getting stuff out of the windWant me to call 911 for ya Sparky? :dhorse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76LbvnoIDkE