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« Reply #60 on: October 16, 2011, 04:57:49 AM »


Rex.

The trans is for drag racing, it has a different shifting arrangement, and the setup is for an LSC 5100.  For its design purpose, the Liberty is virtually a perfect machine similar to the genius of the small Honda generator. 

I would like to run a B motor option by you.

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« Reply #61 on: October 16, 2011, 11:41:18 AM »

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« Reply #62 on: October 16, 2011, 01:40:35 PM »

John,
I think that when you start looking at B motors you are at the point of deciding big block or small block. Tough choice. One of the 4.5 inch bore big blocks with a 3-3/8 stroke, big heads and valves, 8500 rpm etc would probably be the most HP choice but if you want to stay in the 700 hp range any good 370+ cu. in. small block should work. 400 block with a 4.1 bore and a 3-9/16 crank will give you around 375 inches and a pretty easy 700 hp with the right parts combination.

What are your thoughts?


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« Reply #63 on: October 16, 2011, 05:08:26 PM »

Rex.

Well, here are some initial ideas.

There are many attractive C options, but a high-interest B has emerged: A 427-ci with as many ex-RH SB2 parts as possible; a quality 4.00 crank, not premium; SS valves unless ex-ti; roller cam bearings; ex-RH SB2 heads; ex-spider manifold with tweaking; camshaft-whatever it takes; premium push rods; premium springs; ex-RH race block depending on compatibility with pin, crank, and bore otherwise a Dart (I do not know availability of staggered lifter bores); roughly 12:1; I have a set of Manley rods (If correct sizing and checkout); mechanical water pump; ex-RH 5 stage; ex-SB2 shaft rockers; and ultra-premium assembly for a high-reliability, high-torque profile exceeding 600 ft-lbs in the 6400-7400 range. 

There is also an all-aluminum 427 BB with 17:1, but seemingly too much trouble to change now from a SBC.

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« Reply #64 on: October 16, 2011, 05:47:00 PM »

John, I like the idea of a SBC....  a B motor would be great and very easy to get 700HP....

my 370 C motor is old school ( 1997 Nascar technology ) and made 714HP
New Dart SHP Block, Comp Solid Roller, nice forged crank, JE Forged 18 degree Pistons, Forged H Beam Rods, Carillo Rod Bolts, 18 Degree Bowtie Heads, Ti Valves, locks, retainers etc..Jessel Shaft Rocker set up. Ok Victor Intake, 850 Quick Fuel Carb, Home made headers.

Nothing fancy above..no where near the SB2.2 potential,,, but it's what we had,,,I should get another oil pan and vacumn pump or bite the bullet and do a dry sump system.. also a Jessel Belt Drive set up would help.

Good luck, looks like you are on the right track.
 

FYI,,, my Motor guy has SB2 stuff and can de-tune a B motor to 750HP if thats all the HP you want.


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« Reply #65 on: October 17, 2011, 05:20:50 AM »


Charles. 

The 23 and 18 are remarkable engines in their own right.  I think of them as wise-school, hard overall choice, at least for me.

I ran an air pump on my 18 - preferred a dry sump, but they are costly.  Nice work on your engine package!  A friend of mine is running an SHP and really likes it.

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« Reply #66 on: October 17, 2011, 11:44:04 AM »

John,  "if"  I could afford a dry sump set up I would use it... then there is would the 5 stage oil pump fit, where would I put the oil tank,, etc.. etc... etc...

My motor guy wants me to at least put on a vacumn pump set up.  (since we did not do dry sump)..

For your deal,,, If you only want 700HP,,, why spend the extra $$$ for SB2 stuff when you know 18 degree SBC can do it relaibly ?  Now  I agree 100%  for higher HP and Higher RPM  the SB2 is far better, if  you want 830 to 950 HP

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« Reply #67 on: October 17, 2011, 03:38:21 PM »

I see it as building only one engine in which you have room to increase the HP in the future without starting all over. JMHO

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« Reply #68 on: October 17, 2011, 05:33:09 PM »

Great build, John! I'm really enjoying this one.

Oh, and put the biggest, baddest, engine you can- otherwise, you'll spend all your time trying to upgrade the one you have anyway! evil
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« Reply #69 on: October 18, 2011, 03:59:08 PM »

38flattie - The recent picture of your car on the salt would make a great Christmas Card.
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« Reply #70 on: October 29, 2011, 07:11:00 AM »

Me and my Wife used photos from the salt of our car #787 for Christmas cards for quite a few years.
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« Reply #71 on: November 05, 2011, 08:56:14 AM »

John, It was good seeing you at Maxton,

I sure wish I would have had more time to chat with you.

I really look forward to you having your Car ready for Ohio next year.

And Yes your car would look awesome in Flat or Satin Black,, (just don't copy my scallops) LOL

I also like Hot Rod Flatz in a Satin Charcoal or the Satin Silver  for your ride,, man I can dream up some cool stripes for it as well,,

Talk soon,  now get back in the shop,, April will be here soon.

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« Reply #72 on: November 05, 2011, 09:06:09 AM »

38flattie - The recent picture of your car on the salt would make a great Christmas Card.

I could see Santa doing deliveries behind the wheel of the Chevy.

Give the reindeer a break this year.

Ho Ho Ho . . .  cheers
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« Reply #73 on: January 15, 2012, 11:48:57 AM »

A couple of pictures on the latest progress.

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« Reply #74 on: January 15, 2012, 01:47:39 PM »

John....Looks real good!!!!  April, Hmmmmmm, maybe....
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