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Offline Jack Gifford

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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #915 on: February 08, 2013, 01:26:51 AM »
1,500 HP @ 6,500 RPM = 1,211 ft.lb. @ 6,500 RPM, so it's reasonable to assume that maximum torque will be somewhat greater than 1,211. I'm curious what torque value the driveliine is designed to withstand?
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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #916 on: February 08, 2013, 07:12:25 AM »
Desinged FOR  :-o  Whats that  :?   
 Jack if you havent figured it out by now I am NOT an engineer  :-o---
I am an old time hot rodder:  I scrounge parts,  :roll:  I THINK that I can make work and then see if I can make them stay together long enough for two trips at above hoped for speeds  lol

But I THINK that I should be OK. 
I have an early powerglide case with all top notch internals with an aftermarket "BELL" with a stock valve body and a GV-- not too concerend about the rest the driveshaft is only 12" and has the big ujoints. The GM 7.5" rear with the 2.14 gears with the Torsen should  not be much abused on the salt.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2013, 05:16:12 AM by SPARKY »
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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #917 on: February 08, 2013, 11:14:40 PM »
As you were... carry on... :-)

Don't mind my outbursts- I was just a little shocked at seeing 1,200 ft.lb. of torque. I've broken a lot of stuff with half that much!
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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #918 on: February 09, 2013, 12:18:52 AM »
Jack thanks for your concern---I have also broken a lot of STUFF---we will be walking it up---we will have egts,  o2's and will start out with out the boost we have to make sure the carb is right 1st then the boost--it will most likely be a strange ride over a long journey.

Jack,  I am also thankfull that we all have folks like yourself that are not afraid to speak up about our builds. Also for a LEARNING partner like Summner who challenges us both--because between the 2 of us we can come up with a LOT of questions and promt each other on things that need to be addressed.
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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #919 on: February 09, 2013, 12:30:42 AM »

Paint it, copy it,  and paste it---it will be intresting to see how close we are able to get over time.

http://www.turbodriven.com///performanceturbos/matchbot/index.html#version=1.2&d
isplacement=8.35&CID=509.517&altitude=6600&baro=12.013&aat=90&turboconfig=2&comp
ressor=110s73&pt1_rpm=2000&pt1_ve=85&pt1_boost=1&pt1_ie=99&pt1_filres=0&pt1_ipd=
2&pt1_mbp=0&pt1_ce=66&pt1_te=75&pt1_egt=1550&pt1_ter=1.14&pt1_pw=10.5&pt1_bsfc=0
.43&pt1_afr=11.5&pt1_wts=300&pt1_wd=83&pt1_wd2=74&pt1_wrsin=69033&pt2_rpm=3000&p
t2_ve=95&pt2_boost=5&pt2_ie=95&pt2_filres=0&pt2_ipd=2&pt2_mbp=0&pt2_ce=68&pt2_te
=73&pt2_egt=1600&pt2_ter=1.29&pt2_pw=3.02&pt2_bsfc=0.45&pt2_afr=11.5&pt2_wts=320
&pt2_wd=83&pt2_wd2=74&pt2_wrsin=73635&pt3_rpm=4000&pt3_ve=100&pt3_boost=15&pt3_i
e=95&pt3_filres=0&pt3_ipd=2&pt3_mbp=0&pt3_ce=71&pt3_te=72&pt3_egt=1650&pt3_ter=1
.78&pt3_pw=12.88&pt3_bsfc=0.48&pt3_afr=11.5&pt3_wts=340&pt3_wd=83&pt3_wd2=74&pt3
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=2&pt4_mbp=0&pt4_ce=77&pt4_te=71&pt4_egt=1650&pt4_ter=2.23&pt4_pw=27.89&pt4_bsfc
=0.5&pt4_afr=11.5&pt4_wts=368&pt4_wd=83&pt4_wd2=74&pt4_wrsin=84681&pt5_rpm=6500&
pt5_ve=105&pt5_boost=20&pt5_ie=90&pt5_filres=0&pt5_ipd=2&pt5_mbp=0&pt5_ce=72&pt5
_te=70&pt5_egt=1650&pt5_ter=2.55&pt5_pw=31.88&pt5_bsfc=0.52&pt5_afr=11.5&pt5_wts
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t6_ie=90&pt6_filres=0&pt6_ipd=2&pt6_mbp=0&pt6_ce=69&pt6_te=70&pt6_egt=1650&pt6_t
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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #920 on: February 09, 2013, 09:10:53 AM »
Wow! That's the best computer game I've ever seen!  :-o :-D :-D

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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #921 on: February 09, 2013, 09:26:28 AM »
PJ, it sure held Summ's and my attention for about 3 days :-o

Now the big challenge is to get systems in the cars that will deliver those results for LONG enought to figure out what is really going on!!
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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #922 on: February 11, 2013, 10:19:03 PM »
Well Brown Santa is busy hauling stuff in all directions  :-)  C&S Carb inbound, Blow through carb hat going to Summ's place along with some HD Alum tubing I found at a scrap yard to make some carb plenums from.  Summ is going to modify them as has been suggested by Gordon who makes the Extrem Velocity Turbo Carb hat.
As soon as we can mock all this stuff up we will start taking picts.

The bottom line is when doing turbos---My advisce---go to B/W MatchBot site and play with eng sizes and turbos!!!

what is almost JUNK for a 509---   fits a 438 like you cannot believe!!
Same turbos on a 565 will not do anything!!
 
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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #923 on: February 11, 2013, 10:42:11 PM »
Anmd the world leader is called "Joe BlacK"!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #924 on: February 12, 2013, 09:52:19 PM »
Wait a second ...  You claim Sumner is working on race car parts?  Not a sail  boat?   :-D
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« Reply #925 on: February 12, 2013, 10:02:09 PM »
Well, Crosley tonight he was welding on boat parts
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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #926 on: February 14, 2013, 05:26:30 AM »
HEADS UP RACERS

WOW how time changes some suppliers: 
I just experienced a horrible deception by a sales person named Danny at CV Products:
 I was stupidly lulled by past experiences. I was trying to buy blockoff plates for my oil filter and oil pump to install my new low profile drysump pan.  They had dropped the part number out of their computer system and he could not find it.  I told him never mind that I could find it elsewhere.  He went out of his way to "TRY TO HELP".  I told him it was not a big order don't waste his time.   No problem I will get back to you he says.  I found the part on line for $39.00 for a Moroso, $52 for a complete kit from Petersen, both including freight.

 I get a call back from Danny---"hey I found it but its not in the "System""  I told him what I found and the prices---"Don't worry" he says "we will be competive" Well My invoice reads for their "house brand"

$68.00 for plate
    7.50 for plug
   14.40
_12.99 Frt.
$102.99 total

In other words over double  what I could by it from Barnes, Petersen direct or even less on Ebay!

 I call them up thinking they want to do the "Right Thing"---dumb me.   Welcome to the world of the NEW CV PRODUCTS---nothing nada Zip!  Manager NOR Salesman would even talk to me!!

But someone heard me--I get a customer satisfaction survey  in my email assuring me that it will be posted!  Will be on the phone today trying to get a return authorization number!!







« Last Edit: February 14, 2013, 10:32:12 AM by SPARKY »
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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #927 on: February 14, 2013, 07:55:19 AM »
Yea, good luck with the RA :-(
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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #928 on: February 14, 2013, 09:40:18 AM »
They should have an Olympic Games for these jokers. They'd be over subscribed. It's worldwide phenomenon. Greed is good. I don't want to get into my turbo debacle but it's the same deal. I hope you come right there, really. It's not only the money, it's the insult.

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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #929 on: February 14, 2013, 10:33:04 AM »
Re-buyer re-sellers.  They sit on the internet while you call them, find the part, order it up with your credit card or paypal money, and then ship it to you with their "jack" built in.  In their twisted world, some of them think they are providing a service.  Sadly, some of the outfits we used to count on, now have an extra profit center at the back alley door.

Just parasites that are non- productive members of the species.  Ups, fedex, usps all love these guys.  Steady bread and butter for them. :evil:

Now you know why it takes 4-6 weeks to get a $10 part shipped from the next county!  Some items get double and triple downed, and you get boxes within boxes, with multiple shipping labels.  The smart ones now post in their ads, that "your item may not be shipped in original packaging to reduce waste and shipping costs".  That means they are pulling the same trick, and trying to hide the paper trail so you'll buy from them again!

Man...do I hate starting the day in this kind of bad mood.  Now I got to git out to the shop and hit something with a hammer!!