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Author Topic: MS LIBERTY a Wild Weasel's belly tank  (Read 624762 times)

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Offline SPARKY

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Re: MS LIBERTY a Wild Weasel's belly tank
« Reply #1665 on: May 25, 2014, 10:33:47 PM »
LOL  :-D
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Re: MS LIBERTY a Wild Weasel's belly tank
« Reply #1666 on: May 25, 2014, 11:40:19 PM »
... thats a lot of surface area behind the rear tires...
Wouldn't that be desirable if the car wanted to yaw (or spin)?
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Re: MS LIBERTY a Wild Weasel's belly tank
« Reply #1667 on: May 26, 2014, 06:07:46 AM »
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Re: MS LIBERTY a Wild Weasel's belly tank
« Reply #1668 on: May 26, 2014, 09:27:40 AM »
Its a goanna!  :-o  as in go Anna  :?

In E. Tx. there is a small green Lizard that has red and yellow linear stripes with a long tail we called a sand runner---he was very fast on sand---lol

Wouldn't that be desirable if the car wanted to yaw (or spin)?

Jack, it is 72" from center of rear axle to end of sheet metal.

Aero Doug, to me---to most folks, "Motorcycle Doug" Robinson sized it up and thinks it probably doesn't need any tail feathers because it has enough flat vertical behind the axle.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2014, 09:34:34 AM by SPARKY »
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Re: MS LIBERTY a Wild Weasel's belly tank
« Reply #1669 on: May 26, 2014, 10:41:53 AM »
Sparky:

"Its a goanna!"

At least it's not a "guano".  :-D

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Re: MS LIBERTY a Wild Weasel's belly tank
« Reply #1670 on: May 26, 2014, 10:45:50 AM »
I think James has found the right paint scheme.
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Re: MS LIBERTY a Wild Weasel's belly tank
« Reply #1671 on: May 26, 2014, 12:15:31 PM »
Tale of two runs

9/17/08   Qualifying
wind         0.0
temp       86.8
DA       6247
           time     speed
1/4     3.658      245.988
1st    13.718      262.446
mid   12.369      291.028
3rd    11.842      303.985
out        .092      307.879

9/18/08     Back up
wind       5.  NNW
temp     64.0
DA     4848
            time        Speed
1/4       3.334       269.942
1st      12.865       279.823
mid     12.101       297.488
3rd      11.742       306.569
out        2.907       309.526


I have my ideas on what this is telling me but I would welcome  comments  much like we got about the SOS  runs

Thanks in advance for your ideas on what you think I could learn from this info. Help us all understand what all there is to learn from comparing time slips.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2014, 12:46:08 PM by SPARKY »
Miss LIBERTY,  changing TKI  to noise, dust and RUST!!!

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Re: MS LIBERTY a Wild Weasel's belly tank
« Reply #1672 on: May 26, 2014, 02:59:44 PM »
Congratulations, Bill!

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Re: MS LIBERTY a Wild Weasel's belly tank
« Reply #1673 on: May 26, 2014, 03:06:48 PM »
Tale of two runs

9/17/08   Qualifying
wind         0.0
temp       86.8
DA       6247
           time     speed
1/4     3.658      245.988
1st    13.718      262.446
mid   12.369      291.028
3rd    11.842      303.985
out        .092      307.879

9/18/08     Back up
wind       5.  NNW
temp     64.0
DA     4848
            time        Speed
1/4       3.334       269.942
1st      12.865       279.823
mid     12.101       297.488
3rd      11.742       306.569
out        2.907       309.526


I have my ideas on what this is telling me but I would welcome  comments  much like we got about the SOS  runs

Thanks in advance for your ideas on what you think I could learn from this info. Help us all understand what all there is to learn from comparing time slips.

Sparky, from what I have come to understand, you did not make any recent timed runs at Elmo with this new car and you want to talk about what there is to learn about the old car from runs almost 6 years ago?
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Re: MS LIBERTY a Wild Weasel's belly tank
« Reply #1674 on: May 26, 2014, 03:35:06 PM »
SPARKY,
Seems to me it was spinning the tires above 300. Maybe that's why Freddy ran a wing!
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Re: MS LIBERTY a Wild Weasel's belly tank
« Reply #1675 on: May 26, 2014, 04:33:47 PM »
LOL  I would wish that my na motor could spin the tires at 3 plus!! with a 1.66 FDR---

These two slips were from my blue hat run---I had lots of issues on the on the first run in the first two miles---hence the almost 246 vs the almost 270  that is 24 mph diff.

But look at the 1 mid and 3 mile comparisons

The old car could pull very hard up to around 3  but I then started hitting the Aero Wall very little  between the last mile and the exit speed---

These were my assumptions that led me to sell the old car. 

I bring this up because hopefully in July, I will have some 3 mile exit speeds (trap times) to compare---but I will only have trap times--How will I be able to compare? Will it be a case of apples and lemons?

What am I not considering?
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Miss LIBERTY,  changing TKI  to noise, dust and RUST!!!

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Re: MS LIBERTY a Wild Weasel's belly tank
« Reply #1676 on: May 26, 2014, 06:36:19 PM »
SPARKY,
The way to fix the problem is DOWN FORCE. Did you have a Racepak on the old car? If its busting the tires loose you can easily see that in the driveshaft graph. What impressed me about the old car was how much the rearend moved around. The rear mounted video camera was telling me it couldn't take much more power.
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Re: MS LIBERTY a Wild Weasel's belly tank
« Reply #1677 on: May 26, 2014, 07:02:13 PM »

 As the top speeds were real close even with a much better 21/4 time, its going as fast as it can with the hp you have.

  Better streamlining, smaller body, or more power.

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Re: MS LIBERTY a Wild Weasel's belly tank
« Reply #1678 on: May 26, 2014, 07:20:04 PM »
Sparky the dust problem can come from the smallest path or hole, when I ran my  lakester I got dusted out for 5 or 6 runs, we sealed everything on the car the problem was told to me by Don Carr as he watched one run and said the front wing was the problem, took the wing off and drove it thru the lights with no more dust. It was a front axle drag race wing.  :cheers:
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Re: MS LIBERTY a Wild Weasel's belly tank
« Reply #1679 on: May 26, 2014, 09:26:45 PM »

 As the top speeds were real close even with a much better 21/4 time, its going as fast as it can with the hp you have.

  Better streamlining, smaller body, or more power.

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