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Author Topic: MS LIBERTY a Wild Weasel's belly tank  (Read 613167 times)

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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #1290 on: September 03, 2013, 11:50:48 AM »
Sparky,

I'm enjoying the build more, now that we have photos!  :evil:  Looks good, nice changes. I was working on my car this weekend and sat there thinking about the placement and routing of the kill switch, battery, cables with the new fuel cell. I thought of you and the term "noodling" as I sat there, my wife came to check on me due to no noise and asked what I was doing and that's what I told her.  She shook her head and walked back into the house.

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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #1291 on: September 03, 2013, 11:52:12 AM »
Spello check didn't give me the proper word......LOL

I know that the scoop that was designed by Bob Herda,

for this 'liner and a few of his special friends, had vanes

that directed the air. He was an aeronautical engineer and

applied his knowledge to this project.

With the amount of data that is available online it

should be possible to match the efficiency that he enjoyed.

In light of my misuse of a dual purpose word,

just an old druggie trying to reform,

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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #1292 on: September 03, 2013, 12:00:44 PM »
So what is going on here....



...you have so much time that you are building a second car :-o :-o?

Where is the one with the turbos and hat and ....


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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #1293 on: September 03, 2013, 01:08:47 PM »
Same car  Sum---  I am just a chicken. I am down to exactly 4 week to get this car on a trailer if I want to run it this year on the salt.
  NA all I have to do is put a dist in this thing an blow off all this super fancy stuff.  I am back in here looking for switches  I need to drill and mount switches and pull wires.  Just go the throttle cable done except must rig up a clamp block to hold the cable.  I just realized  that I had left a pump off the system; the transfer pump to empty the radiator in a box back to the cooling water tank.
« Last Edit: September 03, 2013, 11:38:33 PM by SPARKY »
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« Reply #1294 on: September 03, 2013, 01:19:12 PM »
Geo,to our Okie friends Noodling means grappling or fishing for catfish by feeling around in holes in the water with ones hands---well I am fishing around for ideas in an area , thats about as clear as mud  most of the time,  my cranium-----lol
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« Reply #1295 on: September 03, 2013, 11:44:36 PM »
I had a pretty good day and Frankie came over for 3 hours.  We cut paper dolls, removed the turbos, and I "found"
a set of Schoenfield 2 1/8" headers that I completly forgot that I had---they are for circle track, look weird,  catch way to much air and will make Miss Liberty sound like a BB roadster on the top end---but they can be installed with out modification------YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!   :cheers: 
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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #1296 on: September 05, 2013, 10:29:57 AM »
Guys, I am sorry there is just not much taking picts of at this stage of the build---what is there to take picts of-- a single weld here,  a small bracket there, spendngi a couple of hours on the internet on Waytek's website ordering fuses and switches.  Several hours getting the throttle cable at just the right angle  :|  to try to keep it from hanging up... bracket racing at its WORSE---finishing a car
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« Reply #1297 on: September 05, 2013, 10:53:22 PM »
Geo an all others who like the photos--got something to photo
03  the Schoenfield circle track headers  nice 2 1/8 with short collector

02 my first attempt at Dutz fastners--thanks to S&S Engineering for the fastners and especially the installation instructions online

01 the first completed fastner 
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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #1298 on: September 07, 2013, 08:27:57 PM »
rear sheetmetal -- finished no---secure & able to run YES   :-D

1 bay down 2 to go

Try to finish the tranny bay tomorrow!

Crunch time--- 14 days to go
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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #1299 on: September 07, 2013, 09:18:02 PM »
Looking Good Sparky.
Are the Stroud pilot chute launchers?


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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #1300 on: September 07, 2013, 11:03:52 PM »
Yes Jon 3" alum irrigation tube is what he recommends for pilot chutes

All in all a very good day: 
got the drive shaft hoop in
finished welding the new diagnols
finished cleaning up some of the stuff I cut out, when installing the turbos---not all-- some of it still is UGLY

Miss Liberty is going to look big when you look at how long she is
 but this is just a 30" dia. tank  with the small tires it is gong to be fairly low  I will be glad when the switches get here---I need a break from SHEETMETAL!!!!!!!!
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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #1301 on: September 08, 2013, 12:49:46 AM »
... In honor of the F 105 "Wild Weasels"  from which my bomb bay tank came from...
I spent my Air Force hitch as an F-105D flight simulator specialist in Germany (49th Tactical). I never heard of "Wild Weasels"- was that one particular fighter wing?
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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #1302 on: September 08, 2013, 01:08:50 AM »
... In honor of the F 105 "Wild Weasels"  from which my bomb bay tank came from...
I spent my Air Force hitch as an F-105D flight simulator specialist in Germany (49th Tactical). I never heard of "Wild Weasels"- was that one particular fighter wing?

My dad says the F-105's were called 'Thuds', because so many crashed.

From Wikipedia:

Wild Weasel is a name for aircraft, of any type, equipped with radar-seeking missiles and tasked with destroying the radars and SAM installations of enemy air defense systems.[1][2]

The Wild Weasel concept was developed by the United States Air Force in 1965, after the introduction of Soviet SAM missiles and their downing of U.S. strike aircraft over the skies of North Vietnam.[3] The program was headed by General Kenneth Dempster.

Wild Weasel tactics and techniques began their developmment in 1965 following the commencement of Operation Rolling Thunder during the Vietnam War, and were later adapted by other nations during following conflicts, as well as being integrated into the Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD) a plan used by US air forces to establish immediate air control, prior to possible full scale conflict.[2] Initially known by the operational code "Iron Hand" when first authorized on 12 August 1965, the term "Wild Weasel" derives from Project Wild Weasel, the USAF development program for a dedicated SAM-detection and suppression aircraft. (The technique {or a specific part} was also called an "Iron Hand" mission, though technically the Iron Hand part refers only to a suppression attack that paves the way for the main strike.[4]) Originally named "Project Ferret", denoting a predatory animal that goes into its prey's den to kill it (hence: "to ferret out"), the name was changed to differentiate it from the code-name "Ferret" that had been used during World War II for radar counter-measures bombers.

In brief, the task of a Wild Weasel aircraft is to bait enemy anti-aircraft defenses into targeting it with their radars, whereupon the radar waves are traced back to their source allowing the Weasel or its teammates to precisely target it for destruction. A simple analogy is playing the game of "flashlight tag" in the dark; a flashlight is usually the only reliable means of identifying someone in order to "tag" (destroy) them, but the light immediately renders the bearer able to be identified and attacked as well. The result is a hectic game of cat-and-mouse in which the radar "flashlights" are rapidly cycled on and off in an attempt to identify and kill the target before the target is able to home in on the emitted radar "light" and destroy the siteWild Weasel I[edit source | editbeta]

The Wild Weasel concept was originally proposed in 1965 as a method of countering the increasing North Vietnamese SAM threat, using volunteer crews flying the two-seat F model of the F-100 Super Sabre; while the United States Navy primarily relied upon the A-4 Skyhawk.[5][6] While an effective airframe, the F-100F Wild Weasel did not have the performance characteristics to survive in a high threat environment. The first Wild Weasel squadron was the 354th Tactical Fighter Squadron based at Takhli Royal Thai Air Base, Thailand. After 45 days of operations against North Vietnamese targets, the 354th had one airplane left and of the 16 aircrew members, four had been killed, two were POW's, three had been wounded and two had quit.

Wild Weasel II and III[edit source | editbeta]
The Wild Weasel II version was the first unsuccessful attempt to use the F-4C as the Wild Weasel platform. When that effort failed, the Wild Weasel role was then passed to the F-105F in the summer of 1966. The F-105F was converted for the role and was designated Wild Weasel III. The F-105F was equipped with more advanced radar, jamming equipment, and a heavier armament. Anti-radiation missiles were outfitted that could seek out radar emplacements. The F-105F Wild Weasel airframes were eventually modified with improved countermeasures components in a standardize configuration and designated the F-105G. The F-105G was also designated Wild Weasel III; 61 F-105F units were upgraded to F-105G specifications. Although in some documentation the F-105F was referred to as an EF-105F, that designation never existed in the operational flying squadrons.[7][citation needed]

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The F-105 had gone out of production by 1964. With severe combat attrition of the F-105 inventory, the need for a still more sophisticated aircraft resulted in the conversion of 36 F-4C Phantom II aircraft, designated F-4C Wild Weasel IV. The F-4C Wild Weasel IV was also not designated as an EF-4C.

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The F-4E, the most advanced Phantom variant with extensive ground-attack capabilities and an internal gun, became the basis for the F-4G Wild Weasel V (also known as the Advanced Wild Weasel). This modification consisted of removing the gun and replacing it with the APR-38(t) Radar Homing and Warning Receiver (later upgraded to the APR-47), and a cockpit upgrade for the back seat to manage the electronic combat environment. A total of 134 F-4G models were converted from F-4Es with the first one flying in 1975. Squadron service began in 1978.

F-4Gs were deployed to three active wings. One was stationed at George AFB, Victorville, California. as part of the Rapid Deployment Force; one wing was assigned to USAFE (US Air Forces Europe) at Spangdahlem AB, Germany; and the other to PACAF (Pacific Air Forces) at Clark AFB, Philippines. F-4Gs from George AFB and Spangdahlem AB saw combat during Operation Desert Storm in 1991, successfully protecting strike packages from enemy air defenses. During this conflict the F-4G saw heavy use, with only a single loss: an aircraft from Spangdahlem AB crashed in Saudi Arabia while returning from a mission. After an investigation into the loss of the aircraft which occurred during several aborted landing attempts in a sandstorm, it was determined that a fuel cell was punctured by anti-aircraft fire. The pilot and EWO safely ejected after the engines seized when the aircraft ran out of fuel attempting to land at a forward airstrip.

After Desert Storm, some of the George AFB aircraft were assigned to the 124th Wing of the Air National Guard at Boise, Idaho, 190th Fighter Squadron. Aircraft from Spangdahlem, Clark, and the remainder from George were assigned to the 57th Fighter Wing (Active AF) assigned to Nellis AFB at Las Vegas, 561st Fighter Squadron. The aircraft remained in service until 1996, with both squadrons participating in frequent deployments to Saudi Arabia and Turkey in support of Operation Provide Comfort, Operation Southern Watch, and Operation Vigilant Warrior enforcing the no-fly zones over Iraq. By this time the F-4G was the last operational variant of the Phantom II in the US forces. Many of the airframes were later used as target drones and Aircraft Battle Damage Repair training aids.
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Re: Wild Weasel a TRUE belly tanker
« Reply #1303 on: September 08, 2013, 03:43:02 AM »
So , a modification to a bunch of aircraft
yep, somthing I already knew
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« Reply #1304 on: September 08, 2013, 08:02:55 PM »
Andy, and I had a good 6 hours in the shop today the tranny bay sheet metal is in place with clecos,  welded up the two parts of the original tank to make the bottom of the eng bay and have the two frt dutz fastners installed so that part of the eng bay is located---now comes the hard part---installing the tabs and adjusting the Dutz fastners----I am a coward I do one at a time---so far the panels line up and I can get them back on----have I tod you I am tired of SHEIT Metal!!!!! :x

But it is looking more and more like a FPD and hopefully a fast one at that :-D
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