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Offline stay`tee

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Re: BSA B50 -500 APG Build
« Reply #585 on: August 09, 2013, 05:59:32 PM »
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Re: BSA B50 -500 APG Build
« Reply #586 on: August 09, 2013, 09:56:54 PM »
Tom, in the Triumph world it is not unusual to run a hotter grind intake cam than exhaust.  This is true of the modern ones, too.  A successful tuner told me a good cam setup for an 865cc street motor is the hotter 790cc intake cam with the milder 865cc exhaust knocker.  In the same theme, going to the standard rocker arm on the exhaust might not hurt.  It will give the valve more time on the seat and this might help to keep it cooler.  It has more time to get rid of the heat. 

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Re: BSA B50 -500 APG Build
« Reply #587 on: August 16, 2013, 05:02:13 PM »
After the valve job, I've reassembled the motor but replaced the exhaust rocker with the standard one.  I can always change it on the Salt.  I now have less than 30% leak down - - not great, but a heck of a lot better than 70%.  I also tried to get a compression test, and my roller starters will no longer turn the motor over in 1st gear.  By using 2nd gear and strapping the rear wheel down, I was able to get 200 psi.  It probably would have been more if I could have got it turn over more quickly by using 1st gear.

The bikes (roadrace bike as well as the landspeed bike) are in the trailer and we will be leaving N.S. tomorrow morning.  I'll be arriving in Bonneville on the 23rd.

Tom
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Re: BSA B50 -500 APG Build
« Reply #588 on: August 16, 2013, 07:50:14 PM »
Have a safe journey :-)

I'll be arriving on Saturday AM (24th)..................I'll look for you and plan to pit nearby.

The Cub has a few new features.......including a fairing...........so I hope to run in your STRAIGHT track :lol:
2011 AMA Record - 250cc M-PG TRIUMPH Tiger Cub - 82.5 mph
2013 AMA Record - 250cc MPS-PG TRIUMPH Tiger Cub - 88.7 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc M-CG HONDA CB750 sohc - 136.6 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc MPS-CG HONDA CB750 sohc - 143.005 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc M-CF HONDA CB750 sohc - 139.85 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc MPS-CF HONDA CB750 sohc - 144.2025 mph

Chassis Builder / Tuner: Dave Murre

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Re: BSA B50 -500 APG Build
« Reply #589 on: September 01, 2013, 11:26:17 PM »
I just got back to my room after three days at Miller Raceway with the roadrace B50, re-learning the art of roadracing.  I had a good race yesterday dicing with a couple of Triumph 500's with the B50 winning the battle.  Unfortunately, ARMA only allows the B50 to run in Sportsman along with the seriously "built" Honda overhead cam twins - -seems the B50 is too new to allow it to run with the Classic 60's bikes, so I was relagated to 6th in class.  Today I went out for an extra race against the Sportsman 750s, but the Boyer shorted out on the warm-up lap so I was done for the weekend.

But my runs at BUB were amazing!  They are as follows: (500 APS-PG)
8/25, 11:03, 70.1*, DA:5900ft, wind 0, down run: 141.029
8/25, 12:01, 71.2*m DA:5990, wind 3 mph NE, return run: 144.714
Average speed:142.871 mph
8/26, 7:56, 68.8*, DA 5829, wind 6 SE, down run: 144.042
8/26, 9:16, 71.5*, DA 5983, wind 0, return run: 142.616
Average speed:143.239

We then removed the fairings and ran the open bike record (500 APG)
8/27, 7:36, 68.8*, DA 5858, wind 0, down run: 120.255
8/27,8:25, 67.6*, DA 5769, wind 4 mph ESE, return run 124.579
Average speed:122.417
8/27, 13:29, 79.2*, DA 6524, wind 3 mph S, down run 125.233
8/27, return run was approximately 125.6 but lost the ticket
Average speed approximately 125.35

We tried one more run Wednesday morning with a slightly richer jet but only ran 141.423 so we decided to quit while we were ahead.  All in all, we had a great week.

Dennis, AKA Old Scrambler, also set a new record in 250 MPS-PG but I don't know the numbers.
Tom
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Re: BSA B50 -500 APG Build
« Reply #590 on: September 01, 2013, 11:33:13 PM »
Really great preparation and results, Tom!  Congratultions on all of it.  I will try to visit you in Colorado, next spring.

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Re: BSA B50 -500 APG Build
« Reply #591 on: September 02, 2013, 12:03:10 AM »
That is really fast!  Probably the best a B-50 has ever done.

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Re: BSA B50 -500 APG Build
« Reply #592 on: September 02, 2013, 03:09:39 AM »
Hi Tom

Boy that is great news with your speeds  on the salt , and your road racing too

Plus bringing her home in one piece too

Like they say down below  ' Good On Ya '

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Re: BSA B50 -500 APG Build
« Reply #593 on: September 02, 2013, 09:26:28 AM »
Well done Tom. That's a fine looking pair of bikes!  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

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Re: BSA B50 -500 APG Build
« Reply #594 on: September 02, 2013, 10:14:43 AM »
    Stout numbers from the motor you started with!  Congratulations on what you have accomplished.   :cheers:

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Re: BSA B50 -500 APG Build
« Reply #595 on: September 02, 2013, 04:07:04 PM »
Congratulations Tom.

Sounds like you had a fun and successful meet.
No mention of frame cracks or self loosening bolts is good news.
Do you have a "next round" plan for the bikes?

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Re: BSA B50 -500 APG Build
« Reply #596 on: September 02, 2013, 10:35:48 PM »
Congratulations Tom.

Sounds like you had a fun and successful meet.
No mention of frame cracks or self loosening bolts is good news.
Do you have a "next round" plan for the bikes?

Cheers
jon
No frame cracks, no loose nuts (debatable).  I have several options for the future, but I'll probably use a stock stroke crankshaft for next year to make it a 600.  Problems are lower rpm and trying to find a small enough rear sprocket for the lower RPM.  Just thoughts so far. A few more photos from the salt showing Ed, my pit man, the naked bike, and me on the bike at mile 5 waiting to do a return run.
Tom
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Re: BSA B50 -500 APG Build
« Reply #597 on: September 03, 2013, 05:52:06 PM »
BIG CONGRATS on your record........and your accomplishment with a big single :cheers:

Maybe the motor would adapt to a super-charger with lower compression?
2011 AMA Record - 250cc M-PG TRIUMPH Tiger Cub - 82.5 mph
2013 AMA Record - 250cc MPS-PG TRIUMPH Tiger Cub - 88.7 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc M-CG HONDA CB750 sohc - 136.6 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc MPS-CG HONDA CB750 sohc - 143.005 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc M-CF HONDA CB750 sohc - 139.85 mph
2018 AMA Record - 750cc MPS-CF HONDA CB750 sohc - 144.2025 mph

Chassis Builder / Tuner: Dave Murre

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Re: BSA B50 -500 APG Build
« Reply #598 on: September 03, 2013, 08:05:00 PM »
good for you on that top speed, tom.

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bub '07 - 140.293 a/pg   120" crate street mill  
bub '10 - 158.100  sweetooth gear
lta  7/11 -163.389  7/17/11; 3 run avg.-162.450
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Re: BSA B50 -500 APG Build
« Reply #599 on: September 03, 2013, 11:37:14 PM »
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But my runs at BUB were amazing!  They are as follows: (500 APS-PG)
8/25, 11:03, 70.1*, DA:5900ft, wind 0, down run: 141.029
8/25, 12:01, 71.2*m DA:5990, wind 3 mph NE, return run: 144.714
Average speed:142.871 mph
8/26, 7:56, 68.8*, DA 5829, wind 6 SE, down run: 144.042
8/26, 9:16, 71.5*, DA 5983, wind 0, return run: 142.616
Average speed:143.239

Why isn't the average 143.329 ?

FREUD
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