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Offline Tman

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Re: Black Lightning 2011 attempt
« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2011, 10:13:53 AM »
Looks nice. I like the idea of the contrasting colors for latches. Learn something every day. Trent
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Re: Black Lightning 2011 attempt
« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2011, 08:19:37 PM »
Quote from: Stainless1 on June 06, 2011, 09:41:16 AM
.... here's the reassembled rear wheel with a NOS 700 x 18 Firestone.... fresh from Art Arfons record attempts through Al Teague.  OK, maybe not brand new but it still looks new.  Should be good for 600...


Got an e-mail yesterday from Drew, who will be one of the tech officials for the upcoming Bub Meet.  It seems that there may be an issue with the Firestone rear tire due to it's age, not it's condition, or it's capability.  Drew gave me a heads up, saying that there are LSR tires available.  It sounded to me that he was giving me time to make the change.  This is of great concern in order for the Vincent streamliner to run the Bub Meet.  This tire is capable of 400+mph speeds without any problem even though it's forty years old.  My liner is an extremely small package.  Any tire change would require extensive modifications, not only in the frame, but in the body.  It is impossible for me to make these changes before the Bub Meet. 

I know at age 72, I would never make the changes, but would just have to shelve the bike.  That's a lot to ask after 22 years of working on this project, which I started in 1989.  If the tire situation isn't resolved quickly, I'll be forced to pull my entry fee from the Bub Meet and attend the WOS.  Last year at the Bub Meet and at the WOS there was no trouble with running the 40 yr. old Firestone.  This year it's 41 years old and it seems to be a problem.  What's going on?

BTW three years ago unofficially that tire went 275 mph.  Last year we set the SCTA side car record at 191 mph.  Fastest recorded speed last year was 205 mph with no problem whatsoever.

                               Max

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Re: Black Lightning 2011 attempt
« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2011, 12:04:13 AM »
What is the Diameter? will a M/T 26" work?
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Re: Black Lightning 2011 attempt
« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2011, 07:09:08 AM »
Max, is there something in the rulebook about tire age?  Or is it just up to the tech inspector's judgment?
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Re: Black Lightning 2011 attempt
« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2011, 07:56:59 AM »

What size rim is the M/T 26"?
Max  they are 18" (sparky)

I'll have to tell you Sparky, this tire situation is very upseting.  I've been around racing a long time and the tire that I have on the back of the liner is capable of speeds far greater than my bike will attain.  And furthermore, it's as good as a new M/T, probably better.  Everyone should know that if I thought for one minute that that tire was a safety issue, I wouldn't run the motorcycle.  My riders, Hartmut and Don are my long time friends.  I've known both of them for years.  In the case of Don Angel, 50 years.  There's no way I would endanger the lives of these two men.   

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Re: Black Lightning 2011 attempt
« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2011, 08:04:35 AM »

I've never been able to find anything in any of the rule books which stipulates the age of a tire,  and says that if this age is exceeded it is no longer acceptable.  It just isn't in the rule books.

I answered Drew's e-mail first.  He didn't reply so I called him last night.  Left a message.  Hopefully he'll get back to me today.  Hartmut Weidelich, who was scheduled to ride the Bub Meet, notified me that if the Bub Meet is off, due to the tire situation, he won't be able to attend the World of Speed, or any other meet this year.  What a bummer.

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Re: Black Lightning 2011 attempt
« Reply #51 on: June 08, 2011, 08:52:41 AM »
Max, I hope you can get the tire situation resolved quickly!

That's a beautiful build, and it would be a shame if it didn't run because of a tire.

Good luck.
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Re: Black Lightning 2011 attempt
« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2011, 10:53:54 AM »
 :cheers: :-D

YippyYippyYea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just got through talking to Drew.  I don't know if offering him a steak dinner had anything to do with it, but the Firestone is a go for the Bub Meet. 

The steak thing is a joke of course.

                     See ya at Bub,

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Re: Black Lightning 2011 attempt
« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2011, 02:19:59 PM »
Congrats! That's awesome news! :cheers:
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Re: Black Lightning 2011 attempt
« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2011, 02:50:20 PM »
"The steak thing is a joke of course."
Maybe to you it is, but don't surprised when I show up around dinner time!!
...and, apple pie with some ice cream on top I definitely won't refuse. :roll:
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Re: Black Lightning 2011 attempt
« Reply #55 on: June 08, 2011, 03:46:57 PM »
After you hit up Max you need to go see Santa and get some cheese to drizzle on top of the steak!!
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Re: Black Lightning 2011 attempt
« Reply #56 on: June 09, 2011, 12:24:50 PM »
 :-DGreat news ....Dad you buy the steak and I`ll Pitch in for the pie. :-D
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Re: Black Lightning 2011 attempt
« Reply #57 on: June 10, 2011, 09:11:30 AM »
Are there any special steps to keeping a tire viable for 40 years?  Daily massages and oil rubdowns?  Cool & dark enviroments or what?
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Offline joea

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Re: Black Lightning 2011 attempt
« Reply #58 on: June 10, 2011, 10:41:21 AM »
..and what does the manufacturer say or recommend for running 40 yr
old tires near their rated speed ie..400 mph..?..they might have some good
engineering feedback that all of us could learn from..

go getem Max..really hoping to see runs over 300..

Joe :)
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Re: Black Lightning 2011 attempt
« Reply #59 on: June 10, 2011, 11:33:55 AM »
Store in a bag after dressing them with pure carnuba wax.
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