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Offline Fheckro

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« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2011, 09:31:50 PM »
On the Cage subject:

 
I purchased a 24 foot stick of 1.75 x .120 DOM tubing and a bender from harbor freight tools.
 I read a post somewhere by someone who claimed he could make  decent bends with the "Harbor Freight" bender... after making a few modifications.
  I figured if he's right I could save a bunch of money so I gave it a try. Bottom line...FORGET the Harbor Freight bender. (I know, but I am a guy who wants to see?try everything first hand)
So Wednesday of last week I was happy to receive a set of 1.75 Dies from Pro Tools.  I  am now about finished with the construction of the HMP 200 – HD tube bender.

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« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2011, 09:45:31 PM »
While on the subject of tubing benders…I also decided I am going to need a mandrel bender to fabricate exhaust. I will need a set of headers for this beast and the off the shelf examples are quite pricey, so I might as well spend the time and money on building tools I can use over and over.

I designed this mandrel bender and am about complete with the construction. All that is lacking is the pressure block and mandrel.

So that’s what I’v been up to lately.

See you all in April

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Re: The Maxton Monster
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2011, 09:46:47 PM »
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Offline Peter Jack

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« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2011, 10:03:27 PM »
I've turned my Hossfeld into an internal mandrel bender. It's really tough to get it adjusted correctly and then the next piece is a little different and may or may not work. It's tough enough with a properly designed Pines bender.

Most of us who build custom headers start with u-bends. They're available in just about any size you can imagine and usually in several bend radii. They're available in either mild steel or stainless in several different alloys and wall thicknesses. Even if you're going to bend your headers the best way is to start out with u-bends to make the prototype.

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« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2011, 10:57:53 PM »
Listen to Peter!! You could have the headers built and coated using U bends before you ever get the first good bend out of your bender. Even if you get your bender to do good bends you will most likely not be able to make all of the tubes from one piece just because of the way things turn out when you build headers. If you are really set on making headers without welding the other method is sand bending. Lots of work but they do come out nice, if you know what your are doing. I helped Doane Spencer make a set once, and they were beautiful! but I have made many sets of headers and have never attempted sand bending, U tubes work best.

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« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2011, 09:14:59 PM »
Peter and Rex,

Thanks for the tip, I'm not saying you aren't right but I want to try it anyway. I used to run a tubing bender in my  good old Air Force days and I have wanted to build one ever since. what's sad is I'm just now getting around to it. :cheers:

Any way, I have had great success with the JD bender. I have the main hoop and halo bar bent and am in the process of fitting them. It gets kinda interesting doing it by myself.
I ordered a seat from Joe Timney so i will not be doing any final cutting until that arrives. I have plenty of extra meat on the halo which leaves plenty of room for adjustment. I am wondering how far forward should i let it extend. you can see in my terrible sell phone pictures that it extends out from under the roof line into the windshield (or could). But I could get it up higher if i move it back. The more forward it is the cleaner the A pillar bars will look/fit. the more aft gives more head room.


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« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2011, 04:03:48 AM »
I'd pull it back until it's at least clear of the windshield and maybe a little further. It looks to me like you could then put the forward supports in so they follow the windshield posts and things should turn out pretty nicely.

Bye the way your bends look really good.

Let me know how your mandrel bender for the header tubes works out. I was doing 7/8" dia. .035" wall 4130 when I did the mandrel bender for the Hossfeld and my success rate was about 50%. It would work for a ways past 90 deg. and then sometimes kink. The placement of the internal support is really critical. It's the same way with the purpose built Pines bender but the success rate is much higher once it's set up. I hope your setup works a little better than mine.

Pete

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Re: The Maxton Monster
« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2011, 11:55:33 AM »
The Harbor Freight bender is made for pipe not tubing. OD of tubing is a standard size say 1 3/4 " . There is NO dimension that is 1 1/2 on a pipe of that size

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« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2011, 01:34:41 PM »
Mr Burner ,

Yes I know. However there is a guy who made the ridiculous claim that by massaging the next smaller pipe die ...among a few other things..., he was able to make fairly decent looking bends with the harbor freight bender. I just wanted to see what he was talking about.

It will bend " tubing "

Turns out his idea of decent and mine are not the same.

Think it has more to do with the fact that it is a RAM type bender and not a draw through.

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Re: The Maxton Monster
« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2011, 09:26:02 PM »
I have a question about Modified category,  Altered Coupe / Gas Coupe classes. I hope these don’t sound too stupid.

I think my car fits (almost) into the Classic category, but I would like to run a non-stock super charger. So that will put me in Modified (I think) in either /CBGC or /CBGALT.

 /CBGC allows the non stock supercharger,   but does /CBGALT?  I don't see any reference there.

There is also something in /CBGC about radiator being mounted in the original location. Does that apply to cars with the radiator enclosed under the hood or is that for open radiator designs?  I will have to switch mine back if that applies to bodies with the radiator enclosed. (Mine is laid back at 20 degrees so the hood will close).

In /CBGALT   it looks like there is a lot more latitude with aerodynamics, but the record is only 4.6mph higher at 224.33. Are the added aerodynamics like rear spoiler , blocked grill, step pan, ect. only worth 4.6mph? Or is it worth trading up?

Sorry if this sounds stupid.
 

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« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2011, 09:45:45 PM »
With masking tape, cardboard, a hacksaw, and prayer I got an extra 2 mph out of my Escort.

I bet that if you do it right it would be worth a lot more than 2 mph.

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« Reply #41 on: July 05, 2011, 06:32:01 PM »
the latest Monster question...

I want to run Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires because 1) i work for Michelin and they practically  give them to me, 2) We test them at full load running at 240mph for 8 hours without any failure. 3) they are just plain sweet tires.

Problem- 245/45(Y)17 is the smallest size currently (215/45 (Y) 17 next year). To run them on the front I need 2 17x7 inch steel wheels which are proving hard to find.

Question- does anybody know of an OE fitment that carries this size?
               Should I run alloy wheels on the front?
               fork non ferrous wheels, what does "1/4in thick steel retaining plate" mean (2.G) in the rules.
               how large is "Large" when referring to large OD individual washers (2.G)? is that what Cragar sells for it's wheels?

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« Reply #42 on: July 05, 2011, 07:49:37 PM »
Fhreckro;

It depends on the record in your class-- if the record is over 200 mph, you need racing tires & racing wheels. Street tires, no matter what their speed rating, are not legal if the record (not your car's speed) is over 200 mph.

The rule book spells it out.

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Re: The Maxton Monster
« Reply #43 on: July 05, 2011, 09:19:06 PM »
 wheels... as i read it "manufactured for racing or reinforced by welding the entire area of attachment...ect"
Tires ... "Exception to any part of the forgoing may be granted by submission of a letter from the manufacturer (me) stating the speed and pressure ect"

I am hopefull to say the least. these are really nice tires.

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Re: The Maxton Monster
« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2011, 06:22:53 PM »
A lot has transpired since my last post.

Finished the cage (turnned out nice).
Sold the car. :-o
Bought another Monza Hatch Back (with cage, not as nice but good) :evil:
Installed a 6.0 LQ4 with:
            Demon  carb.
            Mcleod steel flywheel and Center force clutch
            Quicktime Scatter Shield
           
bolted in my ebay Jerico WC 4 speed
put a set of 2.73 gears in the existing Ford 8.8 rear
 Installed an Ultra Shield seat ( from Joe)             
bought a Stroud sfi A/20 fire suit (from Joe)
made numerous updates/improvements to the chassis
stuck a set of Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires on it

Went to the Sept meet and ran 154.7

Came home and :
installed a Texas Speed 233/239 .595/.603 112lsa cam and put a set of 2.73 gears in the existing Ford 8.8 rear

Went to the October meet and ran 160.6

At the moment i have the engine out and transmission disassembled.
I am looking for a used gear set for third with 26/23 or 1.714 ratio.

Hope to be at Wilmington in April
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