new 2011 rule changes

[jl222]

  

   MM... I would think that the casinos in bendover are a bit bigger corporations than the hans manufactures
and bville racers [ or Jack Costello's more correct, time trialers] seem to be able to influence their price gouging
at speedweek.

                         JL222

[jl222]

if you multiply all SCTA/BNI cars by [ what over 500 entries and not everybody is there at once] say 700 x $600 is $420,000 enough to make small companys SMILE

                     JL222


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If you are talking about entries at speedweek don't forget there are a few motorcycles in the entry list. Speedweek entries 2010 were 381 cars, 180 bikes, and not all cars have windshields, but hey I am a Roadster toad. LOL.

Tom G.

  Yea... your right, but I wonder how many actual cars there are counting Bville-El Mirage..USFRA and others that have to
buy the devices.

                      JL222

   P.S.  Tom...roadster guys don't run wide tires for the same reason cowboys all were long sleeve shirts

[Milwaukee Midget]

MM... I would think that the casinos in bendover are a bit bigger corporations than the hans manufactures
and bville racers [ or Jack Costello's more correct, time trialers] seem to be able to influence their price gouging
at speedweek.

                         JL222

Red herring.  Racers don't rent head restraints, and the SCTA hasn't mandated hotel rooms.

But enough economics - What it boils down to is you gotta pay to play.

[jl222]

MM... I would think that the casinos in bendover are a bit bigger corporations than the hans manufactures
and bville racers [ or Jack Costello's more correct, time trialers] seem to be able to influence their price gouging
at speedweek.

                         JL222

Red herring.  Racers don't rent head restraints, and the SCTA hasn't mandated hotel rooms.

But enough economics - What it boils down to is you gotta pay to play.

  Yea..and the entry fees haven't gone up and the officials and workers are staying at the bend.

                            JL222

[johnneilson]

This pasted from another thread,
"Fastman , in response to the HNR question, I have talked this over with lee kenedy at length and the Isaac system is OK as long as you get the one with shocks and not the Basic, (the one with straps). Also DJ Safety is testing their new model at the end of january, It seems to me it might solve a lot of small,tight car problems, and should be available in feb".

Has anyone else heard of the Issac being allowed for 2011?

Just curious, the SCCA production racers are all up in a bunch because they think the Issac is superior.

John

[Blue]

DW,
First I want to thank you for your participation on these boards, your responses have helped many of us who are building better understand the intent, the allowance, and the letter of the rules.

On the side helmet restraint, I understand the intent of the new rule and am trying to pick a seat for my CC (2011 is looking unlikely, I'll try for Elmo in early 2012.  I live 90 miles from BRD, so private testing is easy.)

I spent a fair amount of the last few weeks researching multiple seat manufacturer's products and watching Speed channel for multiple racing series' use of lateral head restraints.  This safety feature seems to be common in many racing series (gotta love those in-car cameras).  The common forward limit of these restraints is closer to the side of the driver's jaw and no side helmet restraint currently manufactured or in use in other racing series (other than a separate insert as in IRL) goes forward to the front of the helmet.  Most of the restraints in use (and available for purchase) only go as far forward as typical torso bolsters; i.e. as far forward as the back edges of the helmet face shield.  This seems to allow reasonable entry and exit on fixed-door cars and restrains the helmet from lateral movement in a violent rollover.  Their appears to be no tendency of this level of restraint to allow the helmet/head to go forward of the restraint and lose lateral support.

Is the intent and enforcement of the 2011 helmet side restraint rule to be compatible with these other racing series and readily available seat hardware, or are we going to have to extend the available restraints to the "forward most portion of the helmet"? 

This would be a 5 to 6" difference and could be the difference between safe egress and no egress at all.  If the latter, this standard exceeds all other amateur racing series in the US and will require custom hardware for each car as this level of side restraint is not readily available on the open market.  I will then mount my seat farther aft and my steering wheel on an extension with the disconnect at the base so that I have sufficient room between the forward limit of the helmet restraint and the A pillar to exit in a hurry.  It is this conflict between the A pillar, the steering column, the helmet restraint, and our aged girths that we are concerned about.

Again I thank you for your patience with my pedantic questions.

[Cajun Kid]

Blue, well worded and I agree with your observations.

My ISP  containment seats side head restraints do meet the 2011 rules (just by a fraction of an inch with helmet fully back against the head rest).  I too have my seat well back of the dash and "A" Pillar and a longer steering column,, (I did this for my size, but it did work out and meet the new Side Restraint Rules too).

I have researched several seat designs and it does appear that almost none of the drivers side head lateral supports come out as far as the new SCTA 2011 rule wants.

I would hope in the tech line that some common sense is used when looking at each car/seat application and that they do not pull out a micrometer to enforce the new rule....

Charles

[dw230]

Blue and Charles,

The points made in the last two posts are better directed to Lee Kennedy and Steve Davies.

We were able to get the rule changed to accept nets, swing out bars, etc. I have seen two uses of the triangular net, sprint car type, as used on the NASCAR cars right side where the forward part of the net is attached to the window net and falls away when the window net is released.

It seems that some are coming up with solutions. Keep at it maybe you can get the entire rule rewritten for next year, 2012.

DW

[gearheadeh]

It seems that some are coming up with solutions. Keep at it maybe you can get the entire rule rewritten for next year, 2012.
DW

Dan,Your sarcasm is showing! Anyway....got me laughing.

[dw230]

Maybe a bit sarcastic. The truth is that if the general public, you guys, can improve on a rule it can be modified. Witness the two new rules for 2011 that were reworked before final release.

DW

[Bob Drury]

   Thank's to you Dan....................

[McRat]

. . .   I believe we can find replacement windows for the camaro but there are a lot of cars that might not.

 

Google 'Lexan windshield'  
One of many hits will be = http://www.vfnfiberglass.com/Lexan%20Windows.htm  or see post by RichFox above.   This isn't rocket science . . .

As of 2012:  No vehicles newer than 10 years old are on that list.  There are almost no vehicles on that particular list.

We missed the first race because I did not want to buy $50 auto tint that is reboxed and sold as Safety Film for $200.

I'm not that gullible.

So I will make my own windows in my "free time" which doesn't actually exist.

(useless drivel removed)

OK, that's my rant for the day.  I'm trying to find out how thick to make the stupid plastic windows, but they forgot to put that in the rule change, just like they forgot to put the definition of safety film in there.

 

OK, It's Monday, and I'm grumpy.

[Tman]

Awefull worked up over year old news?

[McRat]

Awefull worked up over year old news?

Just blowing off steam.  I didn't run 2010/2011 (money), and didn't read the books carefully enough.

If the record is over 200, you need plastic, even in a Bugatti Veyron or McLaren.

I did the Horse Collar, but the plastic windows caught me by surprise.

[Saltfever]

Well that was funny  . . . but kind of nice to rekindle an old thread that was dormant for about 1-1/2 years! I'll have to check but I think my Veyron has laminated safety glass all around. Therefore no Lexan required.