Australian Belly Tank

[Stainless1]

Anyways back to the topic which from memory was "Australian Bellytank"......It turns out the people who made a semi affordable billet flywheels here that we need for the motor have lost interest leaving it to the people who do it on a change over basis...."give us your left testicle and we'll give you a flywheel...but not for free"....so we got the bottom end for a very reasonable price, Karma has come to visit and we will be forced to pay very unreasonable prices for a flywheel and the cam, thank god it's only one ....

...  but, After Christmas it's tank, tank, tank.

If Jack was around I'd ask him but here goes, who like to offer suggestions on a cam profile for this motor in a gas NA format..........??

Ya got to hate it when parts require body parts as partial payment 

Most of us have the "hey its getting close to race time thrash" as a planned event.

Jack is around, maybe he will PM you some specs.............

[Dr Goggles]

I'm going to a local machine shop that specialises in gears,and they're gonna give me a price on machining a flywheel....I figure they couldn't want more than the only crowd selling the billet jobs here by the time the retail and transport cut is factored in.........the quote I got was $580, with the guy at the counter assuring me "we don't put much on that"......Yella Terra did them for $364 retail.......but they pulled them from the product line due to lack of interest...

Anyway, I'll see....... and I'll let you know.....
 

On the subject of cams this is the sheet for the cam that has been suggested ................

Profile          Actuation             Make/Model           R/Ratio
          1644a            Roller Follower Holden V6  3.8              In1.6 Ex 1.6
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------
           Cam Lift   Duration    Duration   Valve   Valve    Lift      Phase
                       Adv           @050     Clr    Lift     tdc        <)
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Intake     361        300        249      0.016    0.5616    113        107
  Exhaust    361        300        249      0.016    0.5616    098
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------

                             Timing                  Timing
                             Adv                    @ 0.05
                          Open      Close        Open      Close
           Exhaust      77 Bbdc     43 Atdc      53 Bbdc   16 Atdc

           Intake       40 Btdc     80 Abdc      19 Btdc    50 Abdc

                                83                  35
                          Deg Over-lap        Deg Over-lap

                 Intake Centreline  105.5        Exhaust Centreline  108.5

[Milwaukee Midget]

I'm going to a local machine shop that specialises in gears,and they're gonna give me a price on machining a flywheel....I figure they couldn't want more than the only crowd selling the billet jobs here by the time the retail and transport cut is factored in.........the quote I got was $580, with the guy at the counter assuring me "we don't put much on that"......Yella Terra did them for $364 retail.......but they pulled them from the product line due to lack of interest...

Did you try contacting Fidanza?  Their catalog does not include some of their applications - my Midget is a perfect example - not in the book, but available upon request.  Don't honestly know if there's much difference between the Holden 3.8 and the Buick. 

Take advantage of our ever-cheapening American Dollar, Mate.

[Dr Goggles]

.....car parts....the US dollar and SO MANY GUITARS........I'm gonna put a block on eBay before I go broke

just got a pretty good price and local to my place........it's getting better....

[Reverend Hedgash]

I haven't disappeared.

I'm lurking.

One notable omission from the recent reports is our discussions on wheels and tyres.

I'll lay down a brief outline for the record.

In short we need new Landspeed tyres because our Mickey Thompsons frontrunners wont cut it with the speeds we are now running.

The ideal scenario is to get Mickey Thompson 30" units on the back and move our Goodyear 28" Landspeeds to the front. This will keep the ever so slight raking of the car from the back to the front as is our design want (for both looks and for aero).

The problem is there are NO 30" tyres available here and we would have to ship them.

Also strangely enough after looking very hard for a long time now, we don't seem to have any steel 18" rims in the country either! I know the Tundra has them, and various other cars in the States, but when they come here they always seem to have only alloys available, so no wreckers cheapies there.

So it looks like we would have to ship some steel wheels out as well! We would then have to chop the rims off and get a Ford 5 bolt (1975 Lincoln pattern I think) centre put in offset appropriately to cover our drum brakes.

Yes, this is the ideal scenario as it keeps the stance, improves the ratio, makes us salt legal, but unfortunately the importing of all this on top of the purchase price and wheel manufacture just kills it.

We still need tyres to run, but we are thinking now of getting a second set of Landspeeds at 28" and put them on our current rims on the front and tweak the axle height to maintain the rake. I don't want to lower the rear end as it runs beautifully through the centreline of the car now which is a great look.

There are a history of bellytanks when I look through the years having same front and rear wheel diameters which give them a kind of 4 wheel drey kind of a feel which is kind of interesting.

Other news:
I have started fiddling around with a new colour scheme. It is going to be tough to be better than last years historically inspired red with cream scallops but hey, too many cars have that one.

Anyone want to sponsor us and have their company colours on the car now is the time to put your hand up!

rH+

[Stainless1]

RevH, I can contribute a gallon of flat black iron fence paint for your new scheme....    I have some left over from doing my fence and the fairings on the bike.  It leaves a great aero finish.... see the golf ball thread for more info 

[Dr Goggles]

A little background for the audience on the relationship, principally between the Rev and I but of course importantly the involvement of the Colonel( Grumm) as well.

We communicate mostly on email, as if we were on the other side of the earth....generally sarcasm is the order of the day from me, blunt dismissal from the Colonel ( he talks to us like we're two kids fighting)and provocation disguised as inquiry from the Rev.......I lost a significant part of my life looking into the 18 inch wheel deal about five years ago before deciding to run with the pack and going 15's with Goodyears. The Rev baits me with occasional links to 18 inch wheel and tyre sets for sale ( usually in the US) ,  and responds to my assertions that we are wasting our time and money( still) by even looking into it by finding an 18 inch wheel for sale in Back-blocks-ville with a question like " is this the right offset?".......I downgrade the importance of the rake and tyre size proportions to aesthetics ,the Rev asks me how my latest hand injury is coming along, I oversimplify the task of building the motor and the Colonel then refers to the "Sand motor"( the one that had the manifold off it , uncovered in the shed when I fired up the sandblaster...the Colonel turned up took one look into the valley of it and said" take that out you dill it's no good anymore....and throw it away" and then left without saying anything else.We figured he was annoyed.
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So anyway, that's the background........I start reading the post above....he's going on about 18 inch wheels ...I'm having "one of those days at work where anything other than what I'm supposed to be doing seems a good idea " so I've been ringing around about some parts we need and I see......EIGHTEEN INCH WHEELS, YOU $#%@^@&(*@&^%^#$$&#^#%$ ...I nearly had a coronary, then I get to the bit about how the cost kills it and breathe a massive sigh of relief.....he got me again....
 
This folks is a valuable part of what makes the whole thing work....what did make me really happy is that the Rev is starting a new color scheme...pretty much everything he draws looks great...then I have to paint it...now even a slap-happy halfbaked rough as guts rush merchant like me made last years job look good because the lines were there...when I look at the shots from this years meet I can see the lack of symmetry( as Von Dutch said "what,you got eyes on both sides of yer head?"), the rough bits and all ...

I'm hoping for Lake Placid blue and cream this yearI sent him this pic a while back as a suggestion...Ok I'm a guitar player...(the more astute amongst you may notice this is a bass )

 ...it'll be the same sort of job, no tack rags, bugger all wet rub and a bucket of clear on top but it'll look swell all for about a days work....If I drew it and he painted it it would take three weeks and look terrible ...we can't afford either.......thank heavens for teamwork..............Hey Grumm , hurry up with the motor, it's just bloody nuts and bolts.

[Reverend Hedgash]

Thanks for the offer Stainless, will you pay postage too?

There was a bellytank here that looked grouse in Matt Black, the Brougham bellytank.

It was an unfortunate baby poo brown from pre solids days, then one year it turned up hot rod black and looked like some weird U-Boat, but this year it went red and white and lost some of its panache.

Next year? John if you're reading your plans on colour?

rH+

ps I am ignoring the above.

[Nexxussian]

Not to be a putz (or stir the pot more than it already is  ) but if you are looking to put new centers in already, couldn't you order just the hoops from a wheel shop here in the states? 

Or will they not sell them that way?

[Dr Goggles]

Hey Erik,
are you finished on the Berkeley?

[grumm441]

"Sand motor"( the one that had the manifold off it , uncovered in the shed when I fired up the sandblaster...the Colonel turned up took one look into the valley of it and said" take that out you dill it's no good anymore....and throw it away" and then left without saying anything else.We figured he was annoyed.
.......thank heavens for teamwork..............Hey Grumm , hurry up with the motor, it's just bloody nuts and bolts.

Or of course there is the pushrod incident

I have the misfortune of being at work on Saturday this week ,I'm filling in for the salesman with my highly develpoed people skills, so feel free to bring it over to work then.
G

[Dr Goggles]

Or of course there is the pushrod incident

...granted...

I have the misfortune of being at work on Saturday this week ,I'm filling in for the salesman with my highly developed people skills, so feel free to bring it over to work then.
G

pity the poor customer ..... Saturday is the day then, I'm at home wagging so as to clean up the fort.....


ps: hope you didn't mind me sorting your grammar

[Reverend Hedgash]

...remind me what the pushrod incident was I seem to have forgotten...?

Wheel hoops? Where do we get them???
Quanta costa?

rH+

[Dr Goggles]

The "pushrod incident" refers to the fitting of the wrong set of pushrods to my ute during an engine rebuild, preventing the valves from closing,the valves are things inside the motor.........ok.

Now, what car exactly are you planning on getting these 18inch "hoops" for?   .......Erik is just trying to stick an umbrella in the spokes , he's from Alaska and he's probably snow bound right now with no-one to bother, he's chosen us.....he's in there somewhere laughing at us right now.....



BTW:....Not to be a putz (or stir the pot more than it already is  ) ....if you stir pots with yr "putz" Erik you're a brave man ...and better endowed than most....

[Reverend Hedgash]

Don't knock Alaska, they produce people like Sarah Palin...

rH+