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Re: Australian Belly Tank
« Reply #5370 on: March 14, 2017, 07:16:05 AM »
Well I hope the transmission gets to you and works out ok. Never thought I would find anyone who needed the same thing I came up with.

As for heat exchanger, how many miles do you have to go?  I can dig out my calcs and compare, I make a lot less horsepower but dump a lot into the cooling system. I ran 5 gallons in the motor and heat exchanger and 9 gallons in the ice tank. Easily handled 3 miles with enough to take me to 5. If I can go fast enough to get the honor of running 5.

Andy

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Re: Australian Belly Tank
« Reply #5371 on: March 14, 2017, 08:43:37 AM »
See reply #33 in “Engine cooling water tank sizing”   ...and other surrounding discussion.

Converting units to plug in, “450hp to raise 50 litres from 35c to 100c”  would be raising 13.2 gallons from 95F to 212F.  Assuming about 1/3 of the 450 Hp goes into the cooling system, results in 150 Hp loading to the cooling water.

GPM = 6.52   or, 24.7 liter/min.
and, assuming a 2 minute duration of application,
V = 2*6.52 = 13.05 gallons  or  49.4 liters.

Other considerations may also apply as discussed in that thread.

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Re: Australian Belly Tank
« Reply #5372 on: March 14, 2017, 02:38:48 PM »
See reply #33 in “Engine cooling water tank sizing”   ...and other surrounding discussion.

Converting units to plug in, “450hp to raise 50 litres from 35c to 100c”  would be raising 13.2 gallons from 95F to 212F.  Assuming about 1/3 of the 450 Hp goes into the cooling system, results in 150 Hp loading to the cooling water.

GPM = 6.52   or, 24.7 liter/min.
and, assuming a 2 minute duration of application,
V = 2*6.52 = 13.05 gallons  or  49.4 liters.

Other considerations may also apply as discussed in that thread.

You're a gem.

I did some napkin calcs and got 114kw to heat 50litres by 65 degrees in 2mins.
The result suggests that 50litres is the minimum we need, the safety margin is in the pressurization, good management would indicate more water and been well aware of the starting temp.
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Re: Australian Belly Tank
« Reply #5373 on: March 14, 2017, 02:47:30 PM »
Well I hope the transmission gets to you and works out ok. Never thought I would find anyone who needed the same thing I came up with.

As for heat exchanger, how many miles do you have to go?  I can dig out my calcs and compare, I make a lot less horsepower but dump a lot into the cooling system. I ran 5 gallons in the motor and heat exchanger and 9 gallons in the ice tank. Easily handled 3 miles with enough to take me to 5. If I can go fast enough to get the honor of running 5.

Andy

Subaru! So do I, going to uncomfortable at my place if it doesn't arrive!!!


Your specs aren't that unique, people seem to overlook how tiny our car is, we needed a tall third gear and a really really short box that some whizz had already cooked up the shorty conversion was too good to be true. I've seen your attention to detail, that was enough for me..The Colonel wasn't quite so familiar with it all ...when he asked me what I thought about the idea I said "-@_#&@$! Have you seen his tank? It's off the chart"....it was an easy decision..... The CAD plans for our frame have been offered to a few people who have had access to Canberra  bomber tanks but as yet no-one has followed through so congrats to you for getting your stuff out there......gotta go ,just heard the Postie's whistle.....
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Re: Australian Belly Tank
« Reply #5374 on: March 16, 2017, 03:00:04 AM »
I've already replaced the couplers I sent you so find em a new home & turn em into colored money you can use.
I'm loosing crew at an alarming rate here to other commitments, you might have to come over & help me run the liner.
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You may live to regret that. Colonel?

I'm on my way

Well I hope the transmission gets to you and works out ok. Never thought I would find anyone who needed the same thing I came up with.

As for heat exchanger, how many miles do you have to go?  I can dig out my calcs and compare, I make a lot less horsepower but dump a lot into the cooling system. I ran 5 gallons in the motor and heat exchanger and 9 gallons in the ice tank. Easily handled 3 miles with enough to take me to 5. If I can go fast enough to get the honor of running 5.

Andy

Yep. it's just what we needed
thanks Andy
I haven't seen your tank in the flesh as it seems that when I'm on a salt lake anywhere in the world I'm working in tech
however I have had a good look at your website, and every time I look I learn a little bit more
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Re: Australian Belly Tank
« Reply #5375 on: March 26, 2017, 12:04:29 AM »
Moving on
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Re: Australian Belly Tank
« Reply #5376 on: March 26, 2017, 07:21:57 AM »
New front end/axle ?

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Re: Australian Belly Tank
« Reply #5377 on: March 26, 2017, 03:21:19 PM »
New car, refer to page one of this diary, it's the WazaVudu!....... and then there were two. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Re: Australian Belly Tank
« Reply #5378 on: March 31, 2017, 05:26:37 PM »
...and then there was this.

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Re: Australian Belly Tank
« Reply #5379 on: March 31, 2017, 10:09:36 PM »
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Re: Australian Belly Tank
« Reply #5380 on: March 31, 2017, 10:39:39 PM »
Got a sizeable fright when it landed and UPS sent us the bill ( for which we'd paid "door to door")....there were more charges, lots more charges... we couldn't make head or tail of it except that in total it was half what we paid for the gearbox( a not insignificant amount) on top of what we'd already paid..... Graham knows a bit about tail so he looked into it....turns out some genius had entered the dimensions (given in centimetres) in inches, the assessed weight was 824kgs (about 2000lbs).....it actually weighed 50kgs all up (104lbs)....

Now, I can understand the confusion because of course Australia is the only country except the following
Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Antigua and Barbuda
Argentina
Armenia
Aruba
Australia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Bahamas, The
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belgium
Belize
Benin
Bhutan
Bolivia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Botswana
Brazil
Brunei
Bulgaria
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Cambodia
Cameroon
Canada
Cabo Verde
Central African Republic
Chad
Chile
China
Colombia
Comoros
Congo, Democratic Republic of the
Congo, Republic of the
Costa Rica
Cote d'Ivoire
Croatia
Cuba
Curacao
Cyprus
Czechia
Denmark
Djibouti
Dominica
Dominican Republic
East Timor (see Timor-Leste)
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Fiji
Finland
France
Gabon
Gambia, The
Georgia
Germany
Ghana
Greece
Grenada
Guatemala
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Guyana
Haiti
Holy See
Honduras
Hong Kong
Hungary
Iceland
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kiribati
Korea, North
Korea, South
Kosovo
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Latvia
Lebanon
Lesotho
Libya
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Macau
Macedonia
Madagascar
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Mali
Malta
Marshall Islands
Mauritania
Mauritius
Mexico
Micronesia
Moldova
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Namibia
Nauru
Nepal
Netherlands
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Niger
Nigeria
North Korea
Norway
Oman
Pakistan
Palau
Palestinian Territories
Panama
Papua New Guinea
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Qatar
Romania
Russia
Rwanda
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Samoa
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Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Serbia
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Sint Maarten
Slovakia
Slovenia
Solomon Islands
Somalia
South Africa
South Korea
South Sudan
Spain
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Suriname
Swaziland
Sweden
Switzerland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Timor-Leste
Togo
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
Uganda
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vanuatu
Venezuela
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

Who use the metric system...... easy mistake to make. At least we got the package.. Unlike the time I had a package freighted to me from a certain person in Milwaukee. When I enquired as to where it might be he sent me a screen shot of the tracking advice, it was in Vienna, Austria..... small matter of the missing "Al"...we're just lucky it didn't go to Alabama because there's no getting out of there.....

moving on.....
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Re: Australian Belly Tank
« Reply #5381 on: March 31, 2017, 11:09:37 PM »
$h*t happens to some of the nicest people. :evil:

I'm not that nice but been a victim too.
I'm sure you'll get it sorted?.

Nice box and I hope it's everything you need.
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Re: Australian Belly Tank
« Reply #5382 on: April 01, 2017, 07:45:11 AM »
Inch/metric cost these guys $125,000,000!  :-o :-o :-o
https://mars.nasa.gov/msp98/news/mco990930.html
Now we know the guy who made this error works for UPS!  :-D :-D :-D
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Re: Australian Belly Tank
« Reply #5383 on: April 01, 2017, 05:21:14 PM »
I'm about 20 emails deep with UPS so far  :dhorse:
once I paid the ransom they demanded for fright, they deliverd it, within two hours
I got the tape measure out and compared it to the measurments given.
I then re commenced the emails and recieved and admission.
Now I just have to chase the refund.
I'm not finished with them yet
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Re: Australian Belly Tank
« Reply #5384 on: April 01, 2017, 05:49:27 PM »
I'm about 20 emails deep with UPS so far  :dhorse:
once I paid the ransom they demanded for fright, they deliverd it, within two hours
I got the tape measure out and compared it to the measurments given.
I then re commenced the emails and recieved and admission.
Now I just have to chase the refund.
I'm not finished with them yet
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There's something wrong with your E.
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