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Offline joea

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Re: 8080
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2010, 09:52:40 AM »
Malcom...with the advent of the BUB meet...a revamp and redo
of FIM rules occured...making all records for however many decades...
boxed up....the new FIM rules are largely SCTA ......

this made FIM rules more suited to land speed racing....

so it was funny to me that you reflected SCTA following FIM, when
it is quite the opposite.....

kudos to BUB and SCTA for who they
are what they do ...

Joe :)

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Re: 8080
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2010, 03:19:46 PM »
Willie
It seems to me that a four wheel design making two tracks, is inherently more stable than a two wheel design making one track. The addition of skids makes makes a design safer! Two wheel designs often fall over often, and that is accepted! My designs did not, and was made obsolete! Hmm!
Glad to hear you are using a skid! it's important to be safe!
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Offline Peter Jack

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Re: 8080
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2010, 04:09:25 PM »
It seems to me that there should be an appeal process or at least a grandfather provision for existing vehicles so they can continue to prove themselves. There's precedent set with the four wheel drive roadsters as far as a grandfather provision and the rear engined modified roadsters were brought back when proven safe (relatively).

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Re: 8080
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2010, 05:05:35 PM »
maybe for the car guys----------------------------------------willie buchta
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Offline Glen

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Re: 8080
« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2010, 05:08:36 PM »
The 4 wheel drive roadsters are no longer allowed to run.
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Re: 8080
« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2010, 05:18:18 PM »
glen  how many spun or crashed before they were disallowed--more than one ill bet            willie buchta
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Re: 8080
« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2010, 05:39:58 PM »
In my opinion, spinning or crashing wasn't the reason.

Too much competition for tradition was the compelling situation.

How many rear wheel roadsters spin or crash?

They don't outlaw them for safety reasons.

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Re: 8080
« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2010, 05:50:24 PM »
Quote from: Freud on July 28, 2010, 05:39:58 PM
In my opinion, spinning or crashing wasn't the reason.

Too much competition for tradition was the compelling situation.

How many rear wheel roadster spin or crash?

They don't outlaw them for safety reasons.

FREUD

You can take that to the bank.  It would have been nice to see a 4wd roadster go 300.  Tony
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Re: 8080
« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2010, 06:22:32 PM »
In the July SCTA Board meeting minutes, there is no mention of vehicle #8080.

Is this thread "a lot to do about nothing".



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Re: 8080
« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2010, 06:48:21 PM »
Quote from: desotoman on July 28, 2010, 06:22:32 PM
"a lot to do about nothing".



Tom G.



Call this thread a pre-emptive strike against the possibility of it becoming something.
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Re: 8080
« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2010, 07:26:29 PM »
right on freud and tony---i dont think some of you folks get it ---this year all of jacks bikes were made illegal  because of the 20 degree tilt rule---which was first passed by the fim then the scta ---at the july meet every time the 8080 car made a run it was followed by another vehicle  (official)  ---the 8080 car is almost like jacks bike liners except it has 2 wheels in front and 2 in the back ---the front and rear track is as narrow as possible--it also has some safety features that arnt in the rule book ( so does mine and sheris bikes ) an idea i borrowed from jack----remember the rules are all minimums -----oh and 3 cars with the costella name on them set records at the july meet ---who will be next           willie buchta
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Re: 8080
« Reply #41 on: July 28, 2010, 07:32:29 PM »
Dan
FIM also has 2way flying mlle and unlimited track length! Some good, some bad, I guess1
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« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2010, 07:38:34 PM »
There have been many references in various posts as the 20 degree rule being the anti Jack rule or to squash innovation. All of which are made by folks that don’t really know why the rule was adopted by the FIM and SCTA.

The main reason the rule was adopted is that the FIM and SCTA rules have always said that streamliner stabilizing skids must be retracted as soon as the bike is stable.  The flat bottom design of Jack’s could not meet this requirement.  For the last 100 years the FIM has been certifying records of motorcycles that met this requirement, motorcycles that required the rider to use his skill balancing and counter steering to maintain control of the motorcycle. Two wheel motorcycles have always leaned during cornering.

This in conjunction with a very through investigation of Cliff’s accident which raised some safety concerns prompted the rule. An examination of the track during an earlier run showed the sides of the vehicle dragging the ground at various points during the run.

Jack’s design while innovative is really not a motorcycle but more of a sled with a drive wheel and front wheel. Jack’s car designs are a whole different issue and as far as I can see meet the car rules.     
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Re: 8080
« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2010, 07:43:03 PM »
And what would you do desoto man?
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Re: 8080
« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2010, 07:51:17 PM »
Tony
If all roadsters were 4wd would they ban 2wd?
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