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Offline lortech

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birfiled axle spline end not stick out enough for c-clip
« on: July 08, 2010, 04:43:49 PM »
Never worked on one of these before but was asked by the guys and owner to reseal the end of this fj60 hub axle. The switchable 4x4 part has been removed and just a cover was put in its place. I remove the nuts, split college cones for the hub splines then removed the cover. Resealed cover installed the hardware and tightned the nuts. spline does not come out far enough for the c-clip. Any ideas as to why? the cap looks like it mated right up to the hub.

http://members.shaw.ca/glyfx3d/hub.jpg

Offline Peter Jack

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Re: birfiled axle spline end not stick out enough for c-clip
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2010, 07:58:39 PM »
You may get lucky here, but wouldn't a 4x4 site give you a better chance of success?

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Offline lortech

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Re: birfiled axle spline end not stick out enough for c-clip
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2010, 01:19:25 AM »
Just got a email from one of our other team mates. There is almost, no room to put in the c-clip. The shaft may have been cut critically close so, heavy whacks with a mallet may give enough room to put in the clip.

Offline John Noonan

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Re: birfiled axle spline end not stick out enough for c-clip
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2010, 07:03:36 PM »
Yes I would suggest several heavy whacks with a large mallet, if that will not work get a bigger/heavier mallet and perhaps hit it even harder (repeat as necessary)..it should learn a valuable lesson..perhaps both (you and the axel)

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Offline JimL

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Re: birfiled axle spline end not stick out enough for c-clip
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2010, 01:35:31 AM »
Just noticed this....hope this helps....two things:

1.  The 8mm thread in the middle of the outer axle is to pull out on the stub while putting on the circlip....but not always...as the pirates say, "There be dragons here!".... There is an improved spindle that has a brass bushing...used for full-time 4WD.  If this is actually an FJ60 knuckle, it won't have that bushing.  This outer hub is more like FJ80 or RN/VN ifs front ends.
2.  The only reason for the clip is to prevent inner axle retraction while turning sharply under power.  Many LandCruisers ran without the C clip their whole life (some brands of aftermarket hubs wouldn't accept it).  The only time I ever saw a problem was when plowing snow, in the spring, when the parking lot was starting to melt clear (good traction) and the driver was straightening out from a hard turn while pushing heavy wet snow around the back of the building.  The end of the axle would "walk" into the outer hub while turning (more than in your pic) and then need to extend back as the wheels straightened.  The spline load would be so high that the axle couldn't walk in the outer hub and it'd blow the studs and outer hub into the nearest snow bank.

The Birfield will find it's own "best length" and be fine without the clip, unless you'll be plowing snow around sharp turns.

I'm nervous about your "reseal" comment....there shouldn't be any gear oil at this area.  The FJ knuckle uses wheel bearing grease, and the axle seal is inboard (the square plug on the knuckle was NOT to fill with gear oil...it was to inspect the grease during military maintenance).  If the diff level is run too high (should be about 10mm BELOW the bottom of the fill hole...max), the oil will get into the knuckle, thin out the grease, get into the wheel bearings....thin out the grease....smoke the bearings during continuous high speed cruise.


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