Landracing Forum Home
November 20, 2017, 07:48:53 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
News:
BACK TO LANDRACING.COM HOMEPAGE
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  


(Note: Donations are not tax deductible)







Live Audio Streaming and Archives of Past Events
Next Live Event: TBD
Pages: 1 [2] 3   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Engine Specs  (Read 5658 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Joe Timney
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Age: 67
Location: Townsend, Delaware
Posts: 499


WWW

Ignore
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2010, 07:30:48 AM »

How about the Omega class...you can use a non-motorcycle or purpose-built  engine and it is legal. I think everybody needs to have a turn trying to write a rulebook...kind of like being a deer on opening day!!! Oh, the irony. LOL

Wrongway,
Roy, you just want to add a car motor to your car tire!!!
Logged

Joe Timney
Retired President of ECTA
President of Delaware Chassis Works
www.delawarechassisworks.com
wrongway
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 87




Ignore
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2010, 08:25:32 AM »

How about the Omega class...you can use a non-motorcycle or purpose-built  engine and it is legal. I think everybody needs to have a turn trying to write a rulebook...kind of like being a deer on opening day!!! Oh, the irony. LOL

Wrongway,
Roy, you just want to add a car motor to your car tire!!!

yep ,,, so I am good to go for production class with the Boss Hoss ?

Roy
Logged
wrongway
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 87




Ignore
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2010, 09:11:27 AM »

How about the Omega class...you can use a non-motorcycle or purpose-built  engine and it is legal.


rule books says "Any engine using a thermodynamic cycle other than Otto cycle" for the Omega class.

that would rule out most of these engines , wouldn't it ?

Roy
Logged
willieworld
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Age: 72
Location: 921 chicago ave modesto ca. 95351
Posts: 1818





Ignore
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2010, 10:46:51 AM »

omega = steam   turbine   electric                                                           willie buchta
Logged

willie-dpombatmir-buchta
blackslax
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Age: 48
Location: The Semi-Frozen South of Maine
Posts: 322



WWW

Ignore
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2010, 11:23:33 AM »

I am looking at getting a BossHoss to run in production. Is that legal ? these motorcycles are built using a chevrolet based V8 motors, does that make it a motorcycle motor?

In another thread about the SCTA saying MC only engines it was eluded to that they upheld MC engines, purpose built, and mainly comprised of MC parts to "keep the Boss Hoss out".  Don't know if that is true or not, but since your small block was originally designed to be a car enigine, your out of luck with me.
Logged

Tim Kelly
Race Director - LTA
www.lta-lsr.com
People dont see the world the way things are, They see the world the way they are.
wrongway
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 87




Ignore
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2010, 11:52:49 AM »

I am looking at getting a BossHoss to run in production. Is that legal ? these motorcycles are built using a chevrolet based V8 motors, does that make it a motorcycle motor?

In another thread about the SCTA saying MC only engines it was eluded to that they upheld MC engines, purpose built, and mainly comprised of MC parts to "keep the Boss Hoss out".  Don't know if that is true or not, but since your small block was originally designed to be a car enigine, your out of luck with me.

The rules for production aer very straight forward.

" This class is limited to production , street-legal motorcycles of which 500 or more have been produced and are available for sale to the general public through retail motorcycle dealers"

The Boss Hoss does meet these requirements.

Altered is the only class that stated that you have to use a motorcycle engine.

Roy
Logged
willieworld
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Age: 72
Location: 921 chicago ave modesto ca. 95351
Posts: 1818





Ignore
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2010, 12:24:34 PM »

roy  production states     production engines must be the same model as the model of the frame being used   ---that would exclude the boss hoss  unless you can talk chevrolet into makeing 500 frames --if you want to run a chevrolet motor read the rule book very carefully       willie buchta
Logged

willie-dpombatmir-buchta
wrongway
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 87




Ignore
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2010, 12:49:27 PM »

roy  production states     production engines must be the same model as the model of the frame being used   ---that would exclude the boss hoss  unless you can talk chevrolet into makeing 500 frames --if you want to run a chevrolet motor read the rule book very carefully       willie buchta

the ECTA rule book doesn't say that in the production section.

Modified Production does state "engine must be from the same manufacturer as the frame"

so Production still looks legal.

Roy
Logged
willieworld
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Age: 72
Location: 921 chicago ave modesto ca. 95351
Posts: 1818





Ignore
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2010, 01:13:56 PM »

wrongway   before you start an argument with me you should read the whole rule book and not just the parts that suit you---just because i live in calif. i still have a ecta rule book  --perhaps you should read  7.j.i and 7.j.2  ----i remember it like this  special construction classes build off of modified production classes and modified production classes build off of production classes --as you move away from production you are allowed to do more and more---if in special construction 7.h.18 only motorcycle engines are permitted  NO CHEVYS ALLOWED  then they wont be allowed in modified or in production which are stricter classes                           willie buchta                   
« Last Edit: June 17, 2010, 01:25:30 PM by willieworld » Logged

willie-dpombatmir-buchta
desotoman
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Location: So Cal.
Posts: 2405


Modified Roadster




Ignore
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2010, 02:15:42 PM »

In Special Construction/ Altered and Streamliner, you can have a purpose built or motorcycle motor. Non-motorcycle motors are not allowed. Sorry, I know you were looking for a different answer.

Joe Timney
President
ECTA

Joe,

I am just curious, what would constitute a purpose built motor, and be legal?

Tom G.
Logged

Asking questions is one's only way of getting answers. As a young boy I was always taught that there is no such thing as a stupid question. It suggests that the quest for knowledge includes failure, and that just because one person may know less than others they should not be afraid to ask rather than pretend they already know. In many cases multiple people may not know but are too afraid to ask the "stupid question"; the one who asks the question may in fact be doing a service to those around them.
desotoman
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Location: So Cal.
Posts: 2405


Modified Roadster




Ignore
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2010, 02:23:06 PM »


I am looking at getting a BossHoss to run in production. Is that legal ? these motorcycles are built using a chevrolet based V8 motors, does that make it a motorcycle motor?

Roy



Roy,

Buy the bike and run for fun. I am not familiar with ECTA, but don't they have a Time Only entry. If I really wanted to run something that did not have a class to run in, I would run for time only.

Tom G.
Logged

Asking questions is one's only way of getting answers. As a young boy I was always taught that there is no such thing as a stupid question. It suggests that the quest for knowledge includes failure, and that just because one person may know less than others they should not be afraid to ask rather than pretend they already know. In many cases multiple people may not know but are too afraid to ask the "stupid question"; the one who asks the question may in fact be doing a service to those around them.
Seldom Seen Slim
Administrator
Hero Member
***
Offline Offline

Age: 69
Location: Skandia, Michigan
Posts: 11811


Nancy -- 201.913 mph record on a production ZX15!


WWW
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2010, 02:37:37 PM »

Yes, we do have a Time Only category -- but remember that any vehicle that runs, whether in a class or not, must still pass tech.  And part of the tech process is the requirement that the vehicle may be judged to be unsafe and therefore prohibited from running (7.B.14, ECTA rulebook).  I'm not saying that a Boss bike would be so judged -- just pointing out that part of the rules.
Logged

Jon E. Wennerberg
 a/k/a Seldom Seen Slim
 Skandia, Michigan
 (that's way up north)
2 Club member x2
Owner of landracing.com
racer x
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Age: 54
Location: East Coast
Posts: 578


Dark Horse Racing 10-B




Ignore
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2010, 03:26:43 PM »

In Special Construction/ Altered and Streamliner, you can have a purpose built or motorcycle motor. Non-motorcycle motors are not allowed. Sorry, I know you were looking for a different answer.

Joe Timney
President
ECTA

Joe,

I am just curious, what would constitute a purpose built motor, and be legal?

Tom G.

My understanding of purpose built is.When you make a block from a big " block" of aluminum .Then make a billet crank . Have some rods made and a set of pistons turned to you own spec. Then whittle out a head on a CNC machine.

That would to me be a purpose built motor. It did not come from anything and was purpose built to race land speed in what ever you are racing.
Logged

Thank you to all the volunteers
desotoman
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Location: So Cal.
Posts: 2405


Modified Roadster




Ignore
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2010, 03:48:31 PM »


My understanding of purpose built is.When you make a block from a big " block" of aluminum .Then make a billet crank . Have some rods made and a set of pistons turned to you own spec. Then whittle out a head on a CNC machine.

That would to me be a purpose built motor. It did not come from anything and was purpose built to race land speed in what ever you are racing.


If that is the case I own a V8 motor that would qualify for the purpose built class. Something does not seem right. What am I missing.

Tom G.
Logged

Asking questions is one's only way of getting answers. As a young boy I was always taught that there is no such thing as a stupid question. It suggests that the quest for knowledge includes failure, and that just because one person may know less than others they should not be afraid to ask rather than pretend they already know. In many cases multiple people may not know but are too afraid to ask the "stupid question"; the one who asks the question may in fact be doing a service to those around them.
willieworld
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Age: 72
Location: 921 chicago ave modesto ca. 95351
Posts: 1818





Ignore
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2010, 04:39:46 PM »

tom  production is for a production bike --modified is for a modified production bike --in both classes the frame and engine must be from the same manufacture ---the A class ( special construction ) is a purpose built race bike--the rule book says  7.G.9 scta rule book and 7.H.18 ecta rule book says           "Any single or duel combination of motorcycle engines permitted.-also read 7.J.5 through 7.J.11 ecta book and 7.J.5 through 7.J.11 in the scta rule book       thanks  willie buchta

« Last Edit: June 17, 2010, 04:44:38 PM by willieworld » Logged

willie-dpombatmir-buchta
Pages: 1 [2] 3   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines
Simple Audio Video Embedder
Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!


Google visited last this page March 23, 2017, 12:24:02 AM