200mph with 200hp ?

[landracing]

That is just what I was about to say Jon. The MSA lakester does mid 220's with 250hp.

Actually they did 220's with less then that. It wasn't until a change in the car a few years back that led to needing more HP for a given speed. The pictures from 1990's - Maybe 2004.

Im sure Stainless will pop on in here to give more info.

JonAmo

[jl222]

The records held by the Bockscar , Stainless and his group, are the ones that I a aiming at. Looking to be on the salt in 2013.

Rex

  Rex.... Did you know that the guys at Precision Auto are bike guys and do a lot of bike tuning on their dyno?

                       JL222

[Rex Schimmer]

John,
I am putting them on my list if people to use on this project. Probably start the first year with a pretty stock engine and develop from there. I know the guys that just set the J lakester record last year were using a stock GSXR750 motor they went around 165 with what was probably 130 hps.

I just read about Ray Brown, one of the pioneers of lakes and Bonneville racing, and he built a flat head that made 218 hp on his dyno and then ran it in his lakester, a 300 gallon P38 tank, and went 201. Although it did not say how much nitro he was running when he went 201.

Rex
Rex

[Stainless1]

Hey Doc, You can go 200+ on less than 200 HP with a lakster.  We found a dyno we could use in Denver a couple of years ago.  First time the car was ever on a dyno successfully.  We were trying to sort our in our minds why the car was not going faster based on a couple of data points we thought were fairly accurate. 
Determined we were not getting the HP we thought we were when we went 215.  Tuning was the culprit... did I mention we are still working on that turbo tuning thing... 
When Marty set the gas 90 inch record at 204 we had engine dyno data with the 65 ci zx11 that was 170 HP... we had to richen up a couple of jets to compensate for our inefficient NACA duct induction scoop
That is the same motor we added a .080 spacer to reduce the compression a little and 10 lbs of N20 a minute for me to set the 228 fuel record a couple of years later.  When I kinked the Carillo a couple of runs later trying to back up the 230.5 we were running a little more juice than that. 
The car body is 2 feet wide X 16 inches tall, the roll bar bumps up another foot and we keep making the engine cover bigger, it is at least 20 inches wide at the bumpouts for the motor.  Since it is a lakester the wheels are outside all that.  Yes it is small, but I am over 6' 2 and over 210 in my old age, and I fit. 
So end of story, it is possible, but we don't have 15 feet of frontal or a .2 cd... don't think you can get that smooth with the wheels hanging out there spinning.

[interested bystander]

Rex, it's likely that the Ray Brown belly tank made somewhere in the 350 BHP range, going off the first ever belly tank to go 200. I.E. Leroy Holmes, driving the late CW  "Scotty" Scott's Jim Harber Larry Monreal (first ever) built 'tank with a 258" Ardun. I could make this a long convuluted post to explain my thinking on the HP, but it's based on my own 250" Dodge Hemi's performance at the drags compared to a 3/8ths by 3/8ths flathead in the same dragrace car, and knowing Scotty's Ardun numbers in the 'tank at the drags in those days.
One of these days I'll run into you at Elmo or Bonneville for a further explanation.

[Rex Schimmer]

Interested Bystander,
I would certainlyl go along with the 350 hp number as most of the original lakesters using the P38 tank did not pay much attention to doing anything with the tire/wheels or the axles for streamlining plus they ran them pretty low which doesn't help either.

Rex

[Dr Goggles]

  When I kinked the Carillo

so, that's an engineering term?......

This has been a useful little thread, purely for a "benchmark" figure........I know one lakester that I'm prettty sure has more than 200hp and hasn't run 200 , yet ......

Hey Bob, I'll get some of those photo's to you if I can prize full size versions off the photgrapher...

maybe I should have titled the thread 200x200x200 , or "Can you do over 200 with less than 200 if you weigh more than 200"...matter of fact it would be an interesting one for the sit-ons...........

[grumm441]

  When I kinked the Carillo

so, that's an engineering term?......

This has been a useful little thread, purely for a "benchmark" figure........I know one lakester that I'm prettty sure has more than 200hp and hasn't run 200 , yet ......

Hey Bob, I'll get some of those photo's to you if I can prize full size versions off the photgrapher...

maybe I should have titled the thread 200x200x200 , or "Can you do over 200 with less than 200 if you weigh more than 200"...matter of fact it would be an interesting one for the sit-ons...........

I'm sure i told you 200 times
G

[maj]

Your probably going to need more than 200m altitude to do it, not sure of the tradeoff hp/mph with air density, but the first thing i realy noticed this year during my first run was the air felt thick considering the speed i was doing , noticably more than at Bonneville 6 months earlier,
Curious if others that have traveled between the lakes have noticed similar ??