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Offline BAILEIGH INC

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The official tube notching thread
« on: March 30, 2010, 01:15:49 PM »
If you have any questions, input, tips or tricks or horror stories about notching tube. The good, the bad and the ugly, here is the place for it.

Hole saw notchers......good or bad?
Best hole saw?
Abrasive notching vs. end mill style notching?
How many notches do you get from an abrasive belt?
Notching with a chop saw?
Best way, worst way to notch tube?
Software to help with tricky notch angles?
Lubrication?

Home made notchers, lets see em!
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Re: The official tube notching thread
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2010, 01:16:55 PM »
Aren't notchers those tortilla chips with cheese on 'em -- as described by someone from New England?
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Re: The official tube notching thread
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2010, 01:18:27 PM »
Thats funny
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Re: The official tube notching thread
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2010, 02:07:38 PM »
Hole saws used in a "joint jigger" work well, but are slow. Bi-metal holesaws are a must. Motor oil is a good lube. I've build a number of cars using one.

I have since upgraded to a dedicated notcher that uses roughing mill cutters. Much quicker and better results, but 15 times the cost.

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Re: The official tube notching thread
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2010, 02:11:37 PM »
Tubemiter software allows you to put in the diameter of the tubes, the wall thickness and the angle.
It prints a template you can wrap around the tube to make the cut. Very accurate. Dimensions in metric.
http://www.ozhpv.org.au/shed/tubemiter.htm
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Re: The official tube notching thread
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2010, 02:14:39 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeGVbtrrHjE

Best I've seen, but just a tad pricey for most small shops.
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Re: The official tube notching thread
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2010, 02:31:09 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeGVbtrrHjE

Best I've seen, but just a tad pricey for most small shops.

That sir, is bad A**!
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Re: The official tube notching thread
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2010, 02:34:18 PM »
And it's a tad more powerful than the 40-watt CO2 laser in our engraving machine.

I couldn't get the youtube video to play more than the first minute.  Anybody else have this happen?
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Re: The official tube notching thread
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2010, 02:41:58 PM »
That is so neat!!! As I understand that is the way that the people at the Terrible Herbst off road truck shop do all of their tube junctions. I am not a great fan of CAD but this is one place that it is trully the best way to go. Probably a little costly for my shop so I guess I will stay with the old saw, grind, file, fit, file, fit, file etc. method until I have to get a Jig a joint.

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Re: The official tube notching thread
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2010, 02:58:39 PM »
  Wow! 

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Re: The official tube notching thread
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2010, 03:59:14 PM »
It paused for me at about 45 seconds, but then continued on.  Must be you, Jon!   :roll:

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Re: The official tube notching thread
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2010, 04:18:51 PM »
I've got a serious case of tool envy........ and I don't say that often!

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Re: The official tube notching thread
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2010, 04:43:32 PM »
played fine for me but frankly once I heard that music start I was too busy fixing my self a Harvey Wallbanger and getting the lint off my lounge suit..... :roll:
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Re: The official tube notching thread
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2010, 08:05:51 PM »
I generally use hole saws in the mill mounted on a mandrel I built. Sometimes I use the abrasive saw using angled cuts.

I now see what I REALLY NEED!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

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Re: The official tube notching thread
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2010, 08:52:37 PM »
Good subject, and something I've struggled with for years. Recently I made a fixture to mount the tube to my rotary table. A bi-metal hole saw mounted in the mill-drill does the cutting.



I  bought a cad program to help design my frame. (I've always been a "Hume Cad" kind of guy myself, but am being won over by this technology now.  :evil: ) If anyone is interested the program I'm using is Alibre Design and is pretty easy to learn. Once the tube is designed the program lets me find the angles and offsets that I need to cut the tubes.

I found the real benefit to this in the downtubes on the frame I'm building now. The joint at the neck is off center on each side and they meet the lower tubes at an angle. With this set up and an electronic protractor mounted perpendicular to the tube centerline for rotational angle reference I was able to cut them to fit properly in just a few minutes on the first try, with no scrapped parts or hand fitment required.



It worked out really well for me and save a lot of time. I am able to get precision offsets and angles with the calibrations on the mill table and the rotary table. The electronic protractor on the tube requires a little finesse to get the tube clamped in the fixture in the proper position but isn't too bad.

I haven't been able to find anything on the market that is affordable to the home builder to do this kind of tube notching, so maybe this will help someone.

BAILEIGH, if your company comes out with a similar set up after seeing this, I expect a royalty, or at least a complimentary sample  :evil: , and a donation to SSS for the site.  :cheers:

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