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Offline Johntsi

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Production Supercharged rule question
« on: February 02, 2010, 07:04:58 PM »
I know you have to use the one site fuel or bring it in a sealed container and have them approve it pay the fuel guy and then it can be used.  My question is would e85 be allowed in this class if brought in the sealed 5 gallon container, or would it only allow pump gas and race fuel?

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Re: Production Supercharged rule question
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2010, 11:32:34 PM »
E85  is considered Fuel Class... 85% Ethenol.... not Gas ???  I think I am correct... but not certain,,,

Gas class can only use "event" gas,,, or "approved gas" in a sealed container.

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Re: Production Supercharged rule question
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2010, 11:35:42 PM »
How much is event gas? I know such things are subject to change, just looking for a ballpark.

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Re: Production Supercharged rule question
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2010, 09:24:26 AM »
And to follow up on what Charles said -- I'm not a car rules guy, but I assume that if you're in production class of any kind (supercharged or not) you'll need to run event gas. 

Prices are in the $8-15/gallon range, I think I remember, with the "fancier" fuels costing more than the "plain" ones.
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Re: Production Supercharged rule question
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2010, 01:55:00 PM »
Plan on  $9  to $15  per Gallon

100 octane to 116/121  octane  is normally at the track
(at least 4 flavors to suite our needs)

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Re: Production Supercharged rule question
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2010, 05:10:33 PM »
I Know who you are, and what you are trying to do.... :-D

http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,5636.0.html

David Buschur said, hey run E85, the Alcohol cools the intake charge and turbo's love it! Above is the link to my discussion of the topic for my truck.

Problem is E85 is Fuel, not Gas, Gas has specific properties the SCTA test's for. I've never seen an engine pumped, much less Gas checked at an ECTA Meet but there is that integrity/honesty thing.

Second Problem there isn't a "Fuel" Production Supercharged Class, since "Production" Cars don't "require" fuel. (I'm sure some people would argue that).

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Re: Production Supercharged rule question
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2010, 10:34:59 PM »
And while we are on the subject, if I run a gas class where it requires a sealed tank, how do I go about draining my tank beforehand to get all of my old fuel out?

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Re: Production Supercharged rule question
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2010, 08:11:53 AM »
I will bring a sealed container of Import if I want to run Production Supercharged it looks like, I can swap over to E98 to run in BFSS after that.

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Re: Production Supercharged rule question
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2010, 08:43:00 AM »
There you go John, ECTA does have a Class!!!

As far as draining the tank, Before I found out I had a drain Plug in my Tank, I used the Electric fuel pump. Then there is the High School method, Siphon Hose!
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Re: Production Supercharged rule question
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2010, 09:21:35 AM »
I will bring a sealed container of Import if I want to run Production Supercharged it looks like, I can swap over to E98 to run in BFSS after that.

where are you buying E98 ?

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Re: Production Supercharged rule question
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2010, 09:57:48 AM »

As far as draining the tank, Before I found out I had a drain Plug in my Tank, I used the Electric fuel pump. Then there is the High School method, Siphon Hose!

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Re: Production Supercharged rule question
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2010, 10:06:06 AM »
Don't forget to be like #42.... don't inhale during the process  :wink:
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Re: Production Supercharged rule question
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2010, 02:15:14 PM »
I will bring a sealed container of Import if I want to run Production Supercharged it looks like, I can swap over to E98 to run in BFSS after that.

where are you buying E98 ?

Roy

Buying it 4 55 gallon drums to the pallett at a time since its cheaper that way.  $1103 for 4 drums shipped out of Ohio, comes to about $5 a gallon, still much cheaper than import.

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Re: Production Supercharged rule question
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2010, 10:17:48 AM »
I posted this in the other thread but figured it may get more attention here.

Production supercharged says you have to have wipers.  That just means linkage and motor right?  I certainly don't want the arms and blades on at the speeds I hope to be seeing. And do I need to bring the arms and blades with the car if this is the case?  Also about the radiator in that class when it says stock, it means stock location not a stock radiator right?

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Re: Production Supercharged rule question
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2010, 11:40:31 AM »
In answering your questions, we must once again look at the intent of the rules.
The Production Category is intended to represent typical transportation vehicles, which may be purchased from ANY automobile dealer for sale to the general public.

Also, Please be aware that starting January 1, 2010, all entrants in this category must have pictures of the car as produced, with their log book for certification purposes.

Production supercharged says you have to have wipers. 
That just means linkage and motor right?

If the rules state that wipers are require, then that is exactly what it means (although in my quick reading of the Production Category rules, I did not see any mention of wipers specifically).

Also about the radiator in that class when it says stock, it means stock location not a stock radiator right?

The rules state that the radiator must be retained in the stock location and be of the same year and manufacture as the body.

Production records are subject to approval and will be certified only after comparison with the manufacturer's specifications for the model entered.  The entrant is required to provide suitable documentation.

Without trying to upset you (which is not my intent), it really appears to me that you are trying to build a Land Speed specific racecar with every competitive advantage you can manage and then try to race it against unaltered production street cars that anyone can buy at a dealership.  I just do not believe that that is going to be allowed.
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