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Offline Bville701

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Re: El Mirage Update
« Reply #75 on: November 16, 2009, 10:13:54 PM »
Troy, we enjoyed talking with you as well.  :cheers:   It was a big joy to talk with everyone! It was really nice to see Glen and Frued. I only wish I had more time to spend with everyone.

Pat, it was very nice meeting and pitting next to you. Congrats on that record!    :cheers:
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Offline 4-barrel Mike

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« Reply #76 on: November 17, 2009, 12:40:15 AM »
Yup, you guys figured it out.  Windows don't meet ALT rule specs.  As for next year, I'm pretty sure that motor is now no longer legal.  Heard Pete was going to build one that was but we'll have to see how well the new legal one compares to the old one.

Just for curiousity sake, what's the problem with the motor??

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Re: El Mirage Update
« Reply #77 on: November 17, 2009, 01:15:39 AM »
This question is not completely related to this thread, but here goes.  I saw a picture old an old black belly tank at El Mirage today.  It had "Old Crow" on the side near the pilot and it is an example of the dimpled golf ball theory, applied.  I liked it a lot so I put the picture on my screen saver.  It was in a V4 class.  I never heard of a V4 engine.  Are these specially made by chopping a V-8 in half, or are they from some industrial application?  Are they flatheads?

Offline Peter Jack

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Re: El Mirage Update
« Reply #78 on: November 17, 2009, 01:19:17 AM »
"V"intage 4. I always have to think about it too!

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« Reply #79 on: November 17, 2009, 01:25:17 AM »
V4 = Pre 1935 American made 4 cylinder automotive production engine up to 220 cubic inches. Specialty heads are allowed.

Tom G.
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Re: El Mirage Update
« Reply #80 on: November 17, 2009, 01:40:21 AM »
V4 = Pre 1935 American made 4 cylinder automotive production engine up to 220 cubic inches. Specialty heads are allowed.

Tom G.

Tom,

Are they allowed for next year as well...?

John

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Re: El Mirage Update
« Reply #81 on: November 17, 2009, 02:25:54 AM »
From Everett, Monday evening, following my first visit to THE LAKES..........

Mutha Mary, I was impressed and humbled: FINALLY.... after my dear friend , Peter Kier, from LA told me about going to the lakes in 1952.

I have been to Bonneville 126 times since 1963.  Little did I know the heritage of the elegance and prestige of B'ville. Racing on

the lake beds of California was the dirty beginning of LSR. The accomplishments of the early racers was beyond belief. As Dickie Milne drove

across the edge of the lake bed, Marlo Treit told me of his first experience there.  Long ago, Cook Neilsen labeled me The Old Softie. It

really hit home as we entered the home of racing when it was at it's infancy. I recalled some of the stories that I heard at Gas Up. I could

relate to how basic racing was in the 1930's and following WWII.  I held the video camera out the window and recorded, with no narration

because I wasn't qualified to comment. I was allowed to experience a situation that was way beyond "my poor power to add or detract".

Silence and moist eyes compelled me.  Words failed me.  Silence kept me from revealing what a compelling world I had entered. It was

better to remain silent than to open my mouth have my emotion silence me.

My tour guide, Stan Beck, helped me find some of the people for whom I looked. He wasn't able to help me find Desotoman, the Langlo's

and several others to whom I had dedicated this trip. I was blessed when Scott Stites came up to me and introduced himself. I am so

impressed with the dedication of his wife and her unselfish dedication and bringing their Oh SO Young daughter to the dirt. She had other

obligations this week but she brings their child to the "home of hotrodding." And sometimes we worry about the basis for continuing

this sport. Just BELIEVE. Our children and wives DO UNDERSTAND.

Dan Warner, the Gold Coast Roadster and Racing Club that have gone way beyond anything I could ever expect in including me in their

club and group, Rochlitzer, Matt Williams, Adam. Wes and the Raspberry Rocket, Jim Jensen and the Holy Starting Area, John Noonan and

Michelle, Robbie Cohn, the disciples of Phil Freuidger, another example of the siblings extending their Fathers love for racing............. the

LeFevers, Kennedy, Waters, Wilson, Mike Manghelli,

The El Mirage Woman's Group, Judie and Joanne, Calloway's wife, who shall remain nameless because of my case of CRS.....

It's 11:25 PM. At 9 AM today I  received a warm hug from Tom Bryant in Redding. My day is too full to describe.

Add all of the humbling experiences that I have had this weekend and I am wasted, but I have recorded a promise to my self: I will return

to El Mirage and if I get lost, without any humility I will ask the Mayor for Guidance. For those that shared with me and I didn't mention you,

I'm sorry. Please accept my apologies.

Thank you to the racers of the past for the heritage and to the racers of the present.......THANK YOU for perpetuating it.

The Old Softie,

FREUD

AND to Glen Barrett for escorting me thru Georges "Walk thru Time, on the other side of the fence.

And Fast Freddie leaving a message on Kepner's cell fone, after he endured the harrassment called  Bret's Greeting.

double D A M N   
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Re: El Mirage Update
« Reply #82 on: November 17, 2009, 08:51:16 AM »
Troy, we enjoyed talking with you as well.  :cheers:   It was a big joy to talk with everyone! It was really nice to see Glen and Frued. I only wish I had more time to spend with everyone.

Pat, it was very nice meeting and pitting next to you. Congrats on that record!    :cheers:

Thanks!  Nice meeting you and the rest of the LeFever crew, great folk!   Love the push truck.  I wanna build something like that now.

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Re: El Mirage Update
« Reply #83 on: November 17, 2009, 11:43:19 AM »
John --

From what I understand, specialty heads will continue to be allowed.  There're probably gonna be new rules regarding the placement of the bore centers, crank centerline and extreme decking of the block.  All these were discussed regarding keeping the Vintage engines vintage.  In the unwritten, but now written, "spirit of the rules."

I guess some vintage engines were built with only a vestage of the block used.

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« Reply #84 on: November 17, 2009, 11:45:38 AM »
I think Floyd could have seen more people if he'd not been fogging and slathering up his glasses.  He makes me do the same thing, so maybe next time we'll get a guidedog.

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Re: El Mirage Update
« Reply #85 on: November 17, 2009, 02:15:21 PM »
V4 = Pre 1935 American made 4 cylinder automotive production engine up to 220 cubic inches. Specialty heads are allowed.

Tom G.

Tom,

Are they allowed for next year as well...?

John

John,

I have not heard anything different. Like Stan said many engines do not meet the "Spirit of the rule" and are a gutted shell of a motor. That is why we now have a rule book that is over 1/2" thick. LOL

Tom G.

PS. I will ask about this at the next meeting. 
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« Reply #86 on: November 17, 2009, 02:42:35 PM »

My tour guide, Stan Beck, helped me find some of the people for whom I looked. He wasn't able to help me find Desotoman, the Langlo's and several others to whom I had dedicated this trip.

The Old Softie,

FREUD
  

Freud and Stan,

I cannot believe I missed you guys. I was at the BMR pit on Sunday morning and Fast Freddy told me you were over at the Gold Coast Roadster pit. I went over there and nobody had seen you since the night before. Sorry I missed you guys. The pit area is just so big now it is hard to find people. I have been looking for Stan for 3 lakes meets now, found his car but no Stan. Well at least I am getting closer.

Sorry I missed you guys,

Tom G.

PS. Troy Langlo, it was nice talking to you and your Dad too.
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« Reply #87 on: November 17, 2009, 04:28:12 PM »
Tom, after seeing me once, the Gold Coast people avoided me.

Besides, I wasn't there Sunday. I overdosed on Saturday and we left for home Sunday morning.

I will find you, even if it's in your abode.

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Re: El Mirage Update
« Reply #88 on: November 17, 2009, 09:53:52 PM »
Thanks for telling me about the V4.  This car stuff is a mystery to me. 

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Re: El Mirage Update
« Reply #89 on: November 18, 2009, 12:24:17 AM »
Yup, you guys figured it out.  Windows don't meet ALT rule specs.  As for next year, I'm pretty sure that motor is now no longer legal.  Heard Pete was going to build one that was but we'll have to see how well the new legal one compares to the old one.

FYI the decision about the change to the vintage engine class rules still hasn't been made so I spoke too soon based on bad info I picked up last weekend.  But as it's been talked about I think the concern is legitimate.  I've NEVER heard a vintage four banger that ever ran like that.  Anyways, we'll find out soon enough what the final decision is.
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