WOS

[Scott]

Has anyone heard how many courses the USFRA will be running this year.     SB

[Wester]

As of now the plans are to run one long course and the short 1 mile 130 Club course.  That's the same as last year.  We will run on the same courses Speed Week used but not on the special course around the dike.  With a month for the courses to heal the salt should be excellent.

[Seldom Seen Slim]

Scott:

There's a World of Speed-specific thread on this Forum, and you might want to keep an eye open on it for more details about the event, too.

[fredvance]

So I guess SCTA short course vehicles will be on their honor to shut down at the 3 mi? I am changing classes and according to the '09 rules I have to requalify for for the long course??

  Fred

[Stainless1]

Hey Fred, if someone runs too far, their record will be disposed of after the meet, when the run logs are reviewed if they can't prove course qualification. 
We are running in a new class also, we will quit at the 3 the first time to qualify for the 5..... 
see ya on the salt 

[joea]

.......can we clarify....?...

....if a vehicle has run say over 200 mph......then
they change classes with same vehicle number.....i dont
believe they have to requalify for long course.....

true..?...

[fredvance]

False. Aahh Joe you didnt read the front of this years rule book and you missed all the discussion about six months ago. What are we going to do. lol.  Seriously the decision as I understand it is if you change classes you have to requalify for the long course. It seems kind of silly, you run 200+ in one class, change to a class that logically you should run faster and you have to requalify for the long course.I suppose there must be a good reason for it but, oh well whats one more run.

  Fred

[narider]

There's nothing saying that a class change is to run faster though Fred, many do class changes knowingly good and well that they will run slower then their previous class but (hopefully) faster then their previous record holder.

If a faired bike that's running in the 190+mph range on the long course (and ran a 180mph on the short to qualify to do so), is now attempting to run naked as it has a better (or another) chance at a record in the unfaired class at 180mph.... it is very possible that bike unfaired may not be able to pull the required 175mph on the short course to qualify for the long course. But if they are able to run the long course (because they did it faired before) without proving themselves on the short course first, they may be albe to get a naked record they would of otherwise not been able to on the short course.

As most of the rules.... "one size fits some".
Todd

[fredvance]

I understand what you are saying Todd. Just seems like in a situation like mine ie: set a record at 211+ in production class, moving to APS/G record 210+ with more liberal rules that should make my bike run faster, that my current 175 sticker should be good. Yeah I know I'm flogging a dead horse. I can whine if I want to.

  Fred

[osti]

Ok. So let me ask you guys this...I am running the same vehicle, same number, and same class at WOS that I ran at Speedweek. I already have a 175 sticker. Do I still need to make one run on the short course or can I go straight to the long course? As you can probably tell I'm more than a little confused by the new rule.

Thanks.

[narider]

I agree in your case Fred... as I said, "one rule fits some".

Ryan, you are good to go straight to the long course. Is your Dad coming back?
Todd

[osti]

I agree in your case Fred... as I said, "one rule fits some".

Ryan, you are good to go straight to the long course. Is your Dad coming back?
Todd

Thanks Todd. I appreciate it.

I couldn't keep my dad away if I wanted to. He will be there for sure. Look forward to seeing you guys again.

[fredvance]

Looking forward to seeing everyone again.

Fred

[DahMurf]

I understand what you are saying Todd. Just seems like in a situation like mine ie: set a record at 211+ in production class, moving to APS/G record 210+ with more liberal rules that should make my bike run faster, that my current 175 sticker should be good. Yeah I know I'm flogging a dead horse. I can whine if I want to.

  Fred

Fred,
I think sort of the point to the rule is that at Bonneville you do in fact need to change something to change class so take you for example. You ran great at Speed Week. Now say if you changed to a smaller gas tank to get you moved into the APS and you made the mistake of many and pinched your gas line when installing the tank. You take off thinking you're all that cause hey, you've already proven things, and you don't quite pull it through the quarter cause you messed something up "changing class". I think that is the whole point of this exercise. You had to change something to change class so go back to the short course to prove you have all your ducks in a row and that with your class change you are still capable to pull the 1/4 time to qualify for the long then you can move back to the long course.
I suppose if everyone were to always be efficient and considerate and not take advantage of the rules & a 175 sticker earned with a different configuration we wouldn't have to make rules to force the point. I think this was more directed at Speed Week with separate courses where people were holding up the long course doing a test which should have been performed on the short course. Not saying I agree or disagree but I do see their point in the new rule. It also keeps people honest like in Todd's example. A lot of this is meaningless when 3 courses are available as going out to the special course to double check a change is usually the fastest way to go anyway!

But like with all rules, it is what it is & it's better to make that extra pass then to have a visit from someone! I like my visiting with officials to be friendly meet & greets not the hey dummy you screwed up kind! 

Debbie

PS: Good luck out there! Wish I could go back but I gotta wait till next year for my next fix! 

[Wester]

Don't over think the short course, long course thing.

All the cars and bikes that run at Speedweek run on the World of Speed "long" course.  You qualify to take the full three miles of timing traps by going faster than 175 MPH in the beginning quarter mile of lights from the two to the two and a quarter.  If you don't exceed 175 there you stay on it for the next three quarters of a mile and then slow and turn out.  If you go faster than 175 over the clocks to the 2 1/4 you may continue to the end of the timed 3 miles and get your exit speed from the last clocks.

Don't confuse the courses for the two meets.  The "short course' at World of Speed is for the competitors in the 130 Club and the fun stuff.  You'll see bar stools who run a very short distance, the electric vehicles the street luge and Karts, the kind of vehicles that will never exceed 175 no matter how far they run.  They are likely maxed out long before they get to the timing trap.