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Offline RichFox

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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #90 on: December 18, 2011, 03:32:26 PM »
Yellow is good. Maybe I should have painted the Packard yellow. That would have been a lot of yellow.

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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #91 on: December 18, 2011, 03:33:41 PM »
Yellow is good. Maybe I should have painted the Packard yellow. That would have been a lot of yellow.

Not to mention a lot of green.
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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #92 on: December 19, 2011, 04:12:51 PM »
Zenon thinks we should cut a Pontiac head in two pieces and make a new OHV head for the Dodge bros engine. I don't think so, but. Today I did cut a Pontiac head in half to see what it looks like inside. In case you want to see what it looks like, here it is.
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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #93 on: December 19, 2011, 07:04:35 PM »
Rich, you are as inquisitive as you are fearless.  :cheers:

"Yeah, let's just cut one up and see what it looks like".
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« Reply #94 on: December 19, 2011, 07:56:21 PM »
Rich.  Save your Pontiac heads.  If you can wait a few years, we're going to see if we can get Earl (EDGY) to cast up an OHV Fast Four head. :cheers:
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« Reply #95 on: December 19, 2011, 09:13:07 PM »
If you decide to make a Dodge bros. head, I would go with the earlier block, such as mine. The off set distributor makes for a little less machine work. And they were made in much higher numbers. But then you guys have most of the Fast Four blocks already. And Earl wouldn't even sell me a flat head.

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« Reply #96 on: December 19, 2011, 09:24:31 PM »
I agree, the earlier motor would be best for a V4 conversion for availability reasons, and as you say, to save our stash of Fast Fours for V4F.  Chris, Tony and I will be in California at the end of January.  Any chance we could see your V4 in person?
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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #97 on: December 20, 2011, 11:55:23 AM »
Just as long as you like yellow bangers. Come ahead.

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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #98 on: December 20, 2011, 12:53:26 PM »
Pontiac or Lincoln Y block head.

Pontiac is fine but Lincoln Y block head would be too cool

I think Rich's dodge stuff will be in the museum before Earl finishes his OHV conversion

I was hoping for next year, just to get one more use for that beautiful engine Rich has built.

Rich thinks using and aluminum Edelbrock head is the way so we can weld in head bolt bosses.

My idea was to cut an iron head, and I had come up with a list based on the 1 & 2/ 3 & 4 bore spacing of the Dodge block

My thought was that you could cut a head in half, make two spacing plates, bolt one to each half, then, (since they stick out past the edges of the head...of course) bolt them together. The plates bolted together would make up for the big gap between the 2 & 3 cylinders.

I figured on just using a plate to mount the head to the dodge block, since it seems to me that is legal in V4.

Rich's pistons pop up already for the Morton and Brett combustion chambers 5/8" to 3/4", so I figured, while it is not ideal, it would work with the pistons to have a plate.

Rich doesn't want to do it so I was trying to come up with something I could just show up with finished one weekend and see if he still says no. :cheers:

I think if Rich went 130+ with a Ford Y block head mismatched to a Plymouth block a Pontiac or Lincoln head spaced properly over the bores might have a shot at 155. And that little 26 dodge on steroids deserves a chance!


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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #99 on: December 20, 2011, 01:03:02 PM »
Zenndog, you know Rich- if you build it, and it looks like it would be beneficial, he'd probably try it! It sure goes along with his established theme.

!55 MPH would be a great feat! Good luck! :cheers:
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« Reply #100 on: December 20, 2011, 02:19:56 PM »
Rich went 130 and some change with his Plymouth motor. He ran a Ford Y block head with the stacked ports. The head didn't line up with the bores because of the wide bore spacing between the #2 & #3 cylinders which is a feature of early 4 cyl blocks.

I think it would be a big accomplishment to reach 155, but that is the record in GR/V4, so that is why I mention it.

It seems to me a better breathing head with the valves placed over the bores should have a shot at going faster than the 130 Rich went with the Plymouth....155+ may be a stretch though, but why not?

Rich and I are going to fit the Dodge into his roadster with the Morton and Brett, while it is there, after running the Morton an Brett, why not bolt something else on? At least that is why I keep pestering Rich about it.

Either way, the first step is to get the roadster to the Salt this year and that seems like a big goal as it is, weather it should be or not is a different matter!
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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #101 on: December 20, 2011, 04:25:01 PM »
I may have inadvertently created a monster by showing Zenor that cut up Pontiac head.

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« Reply #102 on: December 20, 2011, 05:02:31 PM »
Probably

I am shocked that you went out and cut the head in half!

Let alone post that you did it!

I just take it as a sign that I peeked your curiosity. :evil:

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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #103 on: December 20, 2011, 05:07:38 PM »
Got me wondering what might fit a stovebolt...............hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #104 on: December 20, 2011, 05:56:25 PM »
I didn't think there would be much to bolt to in there. Only one way to find out. Looks like lots of iron to me.