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Offline Milwaukee Midget

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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #150 on: December 23, 2011, 10:48:44 PM »
I am amazed how much chatter has been going on around here.

I'm surprised you're surprised.  I know in my case, it's the odd and unusual configurations and ideas that makes this type of racing really interesting.

I am so sick of belly button small blocks, the new Japanese stuff is just too darned perfected, and even the diesel stuff is getting boring - to me, anyway.

We should probably return this thread back to Rich, but press on, brother.  You're clearly driven by curiosity and ingenuity, and this thread is turning into a great read.  

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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #151 on: December 24, 2011, 12:03:32 PM »
Thanks zenndog.  Merry Christmas to all!
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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #152 on: December 24, 2011, 12:28:12 PM »
I agree that this type of creativity makes for some neat hardware!

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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #153 on: December 24, 2011, 12:44:40 PM »

  Several years ago [ while waiting on some floater plates being ground] another customer told me about his

 duel overhead cam heads for model A and Bs that he was making to sell. This was in Paso Robles Ca. anyone heard of them?

  There is alot [some]? vintage oval track racing, seems he was making them for that market.

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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #154 on: December 24, 2011, 01:26:07 PM »
John,
The head you are talking about is the REM Offy head, built by Bob (Robert) E McKinney (REM) it is a two valve hemi design double over head cam. My friend Steve Nelson has one in his V4FL lakester and set the record this year at 194 mph. After Speedweek he went on the dyno and they found some more horse power and it is making about 280 hps as it sets. Steve's combo is: 214 cu in, 15:1 compression, mechanical Hilborn injection, MSD ign, 5 main bearing billet crank, Elgin cams. Steve is pretty conservative in running it and does not go above 5500 rpm. He is looking to get the record over 200 next year. I have attached a pic of the engine and car. It is an extremely nice car and a classic tank design and very well built.

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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #155 on: December 24, 2011, 01:28:47 PM »
Well. There goes my theory about DOHC heads in V4. Guess they are legal.

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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #156 on: December 24, 2011, 01:48:35 PM »
Well. There goes my theory about DOHC heads in V4. Guess they are legal.

In a roadster or only in special construction  :?  So very confused...
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2013 V4F/BGMR 142.956
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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #157 on: December 24, 2011, 05:33:19 PM »
Soon they will allow aftermarket blocks. Another example of why the RFTA is required. 8-)

Milwaukee- I guess it is because I have been bugging Rich for about two months now like a constant low buzzing in his ear about the idea of coming up with a OHV head to run on his engine after the Morton & Brett. He has not been very keen on the idea but I keep thinking about it. My first thought was a 392 hemi head, but the push rods for the exhaust would go through the cylinders. Then I measured the bores, and through e-mails, Rich stated that the Pontiac might be the head he found most interesting. When we talked a wee ago now he was thinking no, then he cut the head in half and posted it. I am a little surprised to see all the activity and comments, don't know why I am surprised because the whole idea has kept me up at night a few times.

I think it is great.

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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #158 on: December 24, 2011, 06:13:26 PM »
I think you could find it pretty easy to have a following for all of the early motor classes, 4, 6, 8, V8 etc to be all have to be built only with early equipment, no turbos, no electronics, no specialty heads (other than what was built say pre 1950) and have that in all classes, including streamliners and lakesters. Probably not something that the SCTA would want to get into right now. Even at the price of old speed equipment it would probably be less expensive than some of the stuff you see being ran now.

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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #159 on: December 25, 2011, 10:39:44 AM »
We had that in V4F. For a year or so. Then things started slipping into a dollars class. Like everything else. My Dodge will never have a Pontiac head.

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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #160 on: December 27, 2011, 04:12:06 PM »
I think they should pass a rule that makes Rich run a Pontiac head.  :evil:

Just kidding.


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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #161 on: December 27, 2011, 04:25:27 PM »
I think they should pass a rule that makes Rich run a Pontiac head.  :evil:

Just kidding.



I'd second that! :cheers: :cheers:

Rich always has cool stuff though!
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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #162 on: December 27, 2011, 10:41:54 PM »
Hey. I offered Zenon the cut up Pontiac head and a Dodge block & crank. Time for some new blood on this.

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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #163 on: December 28, 2011, 02:14:40 PM »
Here is my crude rendering



Rich, I am in. I was just waiting to see you to talk about it. I need to finish the Studebaker head as well.
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Re: V4 Dodge
« Reply #164 on: December 29, 2011, 06:22:23 AM »
Zenndog, I think this looks and sounds like a real fun project!

Please keep us posted! :cheers:
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. -- RFC 1925

You can't make a race horse out of a pig. But if you work hard enough at it you can make a mighty fast pig. - Bob Akin

http://www.flatcadracing.org/
http://youtu.be/89rVb497_4c