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Offline Stan Back

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Re: El Mirage 5/16/09
« Reply #120 on: May 20, 2009, 11:39:08 AM »
Someone suggested separating the minis from the full-size (never have figured out what the dimensions of each were) and giving breaks to older vehicles.  How about crew cabs and extended cabs, 4x4s and 2WD, with and without side mirrors, bed covers, cab-high shells, cabovers?  What do you think this is -- motorcycle racing?

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Re: El Mirage 5/16/09
« Reply #121 on: May 20, 2009, 12:20:44 PM »
Someone suggested separating the minis from the full-size (never have figured out what the dimensions of each were) and giving breaks to older vehicles.  How about crew cabs and extended cabs, 4x4s and 2WD, with and without side mirrors, bed covers, cab-high shells, cabovers?  What do you think this is -- motorcycle racing?

Stan

There is already a split between mini/full sized trucks.  But only if you run spark plugs.  Mini's can run C engines and smaller only.  And that has been the case for the diesels so far, no mini has run larger than a C engine.  When I asked whether you could run a B, A, or AA engine in a mini, I got both yes and no as answers, so I never pursued it further.

I assume the official answer is now yes.

Who has the fastest diesel motorcycle?  Yes, they do make them.  The USMC rides them.


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Re: El Mirage 5/16/09
« Reply #122 on: May 20, 2009, 02:53:11 PM »
First time out to the event and I plan on going again.












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Re: El Mirage 5/16/09
« Reply #123 on: May 20, 2009, 03:29:40 PM »
Then there are others who go around protesting others that are not in the body clasification that they run---I guess thaey just want us to know that they are smart enough to read---lol

At a diesel drag event, I had a freakin' spectator protest us.  :-D

We had been given permission for both me and my wife to run the truck by the organizers, but a Dodge Cummins weiner who wasn't even racing cried about it when Kat was pulling up to staging.  Sadly, with that organization, rich spectators have more authority than the racers or organizers, and she was DQ'd.

Pat you never stop do you. Just to set the record straight you were protested by a crew chief of a team racing 6 vehicles at the race in question. Since they had asked about racing one truck with 2 different drivers in the same class and were denied. You tried to sneak it by and had done so until you got caught. Kat was DQ'ed as you had already run in the class. She had no issue and pulled to the side and then you blew up at everyone at the event and almost got yourself escorted off by the local law enforcement! What you were told you could do was race in a different classes with the truck and two drivers but not both in the same class. You've got no one to blame but yourself but you keep trying too.

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Re: El Mirage 5/16/09
« Reply #124 on: May 20, 2009, 03:54:39 PM »
If it was done on a drag strip then what does it have to do with LSR. Different venues, lets keep them on those venues. Enough of this that is becoming a Pixsing contest.
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Re: El Mirage 5/16/09
« Reply #125 on: May 20, 2009, 04:05:17 PM »
I agree with Glen -- about the shouting match that might ensue.  Please keep your comments as constructive as possible, with the understanding that sometimes there is such an egregious event that something "just has to be said".  But once is enough - please.

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Re: El Mirage 5/16/09
« Reply #126 on: May 20, 2009, 08:02:19 PM »
HighTop,

Those are some great photos. Thanks for posting them.    :cheers:
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Re: El Mirage 5/16/09
« Reply #127 on: May 20, 2009, 08:23:31 PM »
HighTop,

Those are some great photos. Thanks for posting them.    :cheers:

Ryan I got to meet your dad and brother last weekend, did you not make it?  Also I heard your roadster run and that thing can turn some RRRRR's, how fast did it go? 

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Re: El Mirage 5/16/09
« Reply #128 on: May 20, 2009, 08:24:36 PM »
Then there are others who go around protesting others that are not in the body clasification that they run---I guess thaey just want us to know that they are smart enough to read---lol

At a diesel drag event, I had a freakin' spectator protest us.  :-D

We had been given permission for both me and my wife to run the truck by the organizers, but a Dodge Cummins weiner who wasn't even racing cried about it when Kat was pulling up to staging.  Sadly, with that organization, rich spectators have more authority than the racers or organizers, and she was DQ'd.

Pat you never stop do you. Just to set the record straight you were protested by a crew chief of a team racing 6 vehicles at the race in question. Since they had asked about racing one truck with 2 different drivers in the same class and were denied. You tried to sneak it by and had done so until you got caught. Kat was DQ'ed as you had already run in the class. She had no issue and pulled to the side and then you blew up at everyone at the event and almost got yourself escorted off by the local law enforcement! What you were told you could do was race in a different classes with the truck and two drivers but not both in the same class. You've got no one to blame but yourself but you keep trying too.

Welcome to the board Steve!  Good to see you here.  Come by and say "hi" at El Mirage next month, and I'll show you "Casper".   I know you've seen it before, but only as I was pulling away from you. :evil:

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Re: El Mirage 5/16/09
« Reply #129 on: May 20, 2009, 08:43:19 PM »
HighTop,

Those are some great photos. Thanks for posting them.    :cheers:

Ryan I got to meet your dad and brother last weekend, did you not make it?  Also I heard your roadster run and that thing can turn some RRRRR's, how fast did it go? 

I was there on Sunday. I'm the tall guy holding the umbrella.

I went over to introduce myself to you guys while you were in line, but you were really busy. Then, we got busy... and so on.

We went 165 on Sunday, which was good! My brother never ran at Elmo before, and is still getting use to the car. I think we're going to go after the record at the next meet, and we'll see what happens.

How did you guys do? The car looks great!     :cheers:
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Re: El Mirage 5/16/09
« Reply #130 on: May 20, 2009, 10:17:17 PM »
So what would you think of someone running a 2/3rd's scale roadster?  66% of the frontal area of OEM?  (Quote)

Boy Pat....there seems to be no end to your whining on this subject. Just remember, Hooker Graham Hooker's Chevy Luv and Gale Bank's Dakota set this precedent many years before you ever decided to get into Landspeed Racing. We all are impressed with your efforts and I'm certain of your future success at reaching 200mph, and doing it as a production truck is great, but some of us have our sights set at higher than 200mph....and a smart builder will start with something a little more aerodynamic than a full size truck. You make it sound like we are cheating and are stepping down from a gas class into an easier class....not the case at all. To push our S10 to our goal of 250mph and above won't be an easy task. If my goal was 200 then you would have all the room in the world to whine about my effort, but 200 isn't our target and we aren't claiming to be a production truck. That's your deal and not mine.
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250?  Fastest truck is 272mph.  Think big. :cheers:

My opinion on the subject ain't new.  Heck, I discussed the subject at Bonneville with you before you started on it.  Specifically how running an S-10 with a Duramax would be the optimum setup if allowed.

And like I posted, that's all it is, is my opinion.  Chopped tops, gas minitruck bodies, boat engines, etc, it ain't my call, and unlike your pals at Texas, I won't protest you.

Good luck and I'll see you on the salt.


I understand that this is your opinion and I can only imagine how hard you are lobbying to have this class changed to suit your needs. And yes the S-10/Duramax is the optimum setup for my race program as you stated above...but let's get one thing straight...it's not "if allowed" it always has been allowed, whether you like it or not. There's a long list of guys who have optimized their race vehicles all within the rules of the class. They went very fast with smaller trucks and big diesel engines. There have probably been as many or more "mini-trucks" through tech as D/T as full size trucks.

We won't be entered at Speedweek as my commitment is to the Goodfellow Family Streamliner to make sure we have a max effort, but at World of Speed we will be there with an A and B diesel engine combination as well as a C gas engine in the trailer. We also have a commitment to enter the truck at Hot Rod Drag Week and put on a few thousand miles while hitting the drag strips for 5 days. Perhaps you would join us and wave the diesel flag at this event.

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Re: El Mirage 5/16/09
« Reply #131 on: May 21, 2009, 04:44:28 AM »
So what would you think of someone running a 2/3rd's scale roadster?  66% of the frontal area of OEM?  (Quote)

Boy Pat....there seems to be no end to your whining on this subject. Just remember, Hooker Graham Hooker's Chevy Luv and Gale Bank's Dakota set this precedent many years before you ever decided to get into Landspeed Racing. We all are impressed with your efforts and I'm certain of your future success at reaching 200mph, and doing it as a production truck is great, but some of us have our sights set at higher than 200mph....and a smart builder will start with something a little more aerodynamic than a full size truck. You make it sound like we are cheating and are stepping down from a gas class into an easier class....not the case at all. To push our S10 to our goal of 250mph and above won't be an easy task. If my goal was 200 then you would have all the room in the world to whine about my effort, but 200 isn't our target and we aren't claiming to be a production truck. That's your deal and not mine.
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250?  Fastest truck is 272mph.  Think big. :cheers:

My opinion on the subject ain't new.  Heck, I discussed the subject at Bonneville with you before you started on it.  Specifically how running an S-10 with a Duramax would be the optimum setup if allowed.

And like I posted, that's all it is, is my opinion.  Chopped tops, gas minitruck bodies, boat engines, etc, it ain't my call, and unlike your pals at Texas, I won't protest you.

Good luck and I'll see you on the salt.


I understand that this is your opinion and I can only imagine how hard you are lobbying to have this class changed to suit your needs. And yes the S-10/Duramax is the optimum setup for my race program as you stated above...but let's get one thing straight...it's not "if allowed" it always has been allowed, whether you like it or not. There's a long list of guys who have optimized their race vehicles all within the rules of the class. They went very fast with smaller trucks and big diesel engines. There have probably been as many or more "mini-trucks" through tech as D/T as full size trucks.

We won't be entered at Speedweek as my commitment is to the Goodfellow Family Streamliner to make sure we have a max effort, but at World of Speed we will be there with an A and B diesel engine combination as well as a C gas engine in the trailer. We also have a commitment to enter the truck at Hot Rod Drag Week and put on a few thousand miles while hitting the drag strips for 5 days. Perhaps you would join us and wave the diesel flag at this event.

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Curtis,

Don't get me wrong.  I race by whatever rules I'm told are in force before I fire it up.  Been that way for years.  Whether I like the rules or not, I run, plain and simple. 
All I've ever asked is that the rules be the same for all racers, and when they aren't I race anyhow. 

IMO, rules are rules.  Past entries do not define the rules, the rulebook and rules committee do.  It says it in the SCTA rulebook.  No diesel minitruck has been run in B, A, or AA, so past entries don't even come into play.  Like I said in an earlier post, it ain't my call.

Yes, both me and my wife have been dragging our family across the country for years to support diesel racing, Drag, Sled, and LSR.  I've organized sled pulls and drag events and donated thousands of dollars to charity in the process.  Ask guys like Craig Johnson how we run.  We do it simply for the love of the sport. 

I like you, and enjoy talking with you.  But I also fully intend to outrun all competitors.  With hose clamps, duct tape, and hard work.  You are always welcome in our pits, and I will help you to best of my ability.  Though when the race starts, I will do my best to go faster than everyone else. 

If your goal is 250, then mine should be 250.1  :-D 

Actually, it is 273. :evil:

Game on friend.  :wink:





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Re: El Mirage 5/16/09
« Reply #132 on: May 21, 2009, 12:22:02 PM »
Pat

Your up to your same old tricks and the moderators here have asked that we not bring in things from other venues. All I ask is that you drop the crying and whining that you've done at every previous venue you've come to. LSR has been fun for a lot of people for many years as the crying and whining about things have been very little when compared to other venues. People do it for the fun of it as there is no other reason. The ego's get checked at the edge of the Salt. I've been attending it for years and its been a lot of fun. Please do not ruin it as you have every where else you've been before. Setup and do something different for a change. Everyone gets to race on the same track under the same conditions under the same rules, quit trying to change them just to fit what you want. Sometimes things are what they are.

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Re: El Mirage 5/16/09
« Reply #133 on: May 21, 2009, 12:37:19 PM »
I think you both were asked to stop the bickering. Lets get back to racing.
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Re: El Mirage 5/16/09
« Reply #134 on: May 21, 2009, 12:39:32 PM »
Please, guys, take it to email or a duramax forum.

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