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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #525 on: October 03, 2010, 10:03:30 AM »
Actually, you're right.
Moderators: please remove all this debris, since it appears I'm talking to myself.

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #526 on: October 03, 2010, 11:20:20 AM »
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Actually, you're right.
Moderators: please remove all this debris, since it appears I'm talking to myself.

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Huh ? ....what's this all about ?....why erasing all your post ?

You weren't talking to yourself.
I, for one, was listening !!! ...and appreciated your posts !

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #527 on: October 03, 2010, 11:25:48 AM »
Lars,
  Here's a little read about plug reading. Everyones opinion will be different but it gives some good basics. There is also another one but I can't find it right now. When I do I'll attach it...

http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=920271

Larry

Never knew that so much could be 'read' from the state of the plugs.
Great to learn something new !

Thanks Larry

I'll be back later with a better photo of the plug
and use the link to try'and figure out the state of affairs in the engine

 Hi Lars,  Did you check your valve springs for coil bind?????
...mmmmm: I'm afraid I don't even know what that means

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When you read your plugs, you should look all the way down looking at the porcelin and plug body, Do you have a plug reading light?    Mike R.

Yes ...sort of; I have a magnifying glass with a build-in light, but it's still hard to get the light all the way down there.
I guess you've just given me an excuse to buy a new tool

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #528 on: October 03, 2010, 03:29:26 PM »
 Hi Lars,  Did you check your valve springs for coil bind?????
...mmmmm: I'm afraid I don't even know what that means

Hi Lars,
"Coil Bind"
The simplest way to think of it is as follows;
When your valve is fully open, there should still be some distance between the coils of the valve spring, usually in the region of 0.3mm per coil plus an additional 0.3mm.
Therefore if your spring has 6 coils, then you need 7 times 0.3mm (2.1mm) of free movement at full valve lift.

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #529 on: October 03, 2010, 06:07:35 PM »
 Hi Lars,  Did you check your valve springs for coil bind?????

When your valve is fully open, there should still be some distance between the coils of the valve spring, usually in the region of 0.3mm per coil plus an additional 0.3mm.
Therefore if your spring has 6 coils, then you need 7 times 0.3mm (2.1mm) of free movement at full valve lift.

HTH
Neil
Ahh ! I understand now.
Thanks Neil !

I'll check.
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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #530 on: October 03, 2010, 06:17:03 PM »
Isn't it about time to delete your earlier posts?
( This is directed at 'panic' I assume. )

I may misunderstand this
BUT
if it's some sort of personal beef or pi**ing contest, please take it somewhere else .... like posting a PM to the person
to witch it is directed.


With all due respect; I really do NOT care for that kind of stuff here....AT ALL !
In my view, a pi**ing contest produces nothing but ...pi**.
I don't care for that.


Please explain what's going on. I just don't get it. The best thing would probably be to PM me.



Thank you !


« Last Edit: October 03, 2010, 06:49:02 PM by octane »
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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #531 on: October 03, 2010, 06:42:47 PM »
not a pi__ing contest, but look at all his other posts and he deletes them in a few days.
  Actually I have no business being here as I know nothing about Indians. I rest my case in the hands of experts who have no idea how an Indian operates.
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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #532 on: October 03, 2010, 06:52:08 PM »
not a pi__ing contest, but look at all his other posts and he deletes them in a few days.
  Actually I have no business being here as I know nothing about Indians. I rest my case in the hands of experts who have no idea how an Indian operates.

PLEASE PM me, Rocky my man !!!
I have absolutely no effing clue what you're talking about !

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #533 on: October 03, 2010, 07:25:13 PM »
http://cranecams.com/?id=5&show=faq

Lars, heres a little write on valve springs by Crane Cams. Towards the bottom they reccomend .060 clearance from coil bind. It was reccomended to me to have .100 when I set up my motor. So as you can see, there are many schools of thought.
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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #534 on: October 03, 2010, 08:13:28 PM »
Lars,  I don't know Panic but I do know he is sensitive.  If someone disagrees with him all his posts disappear.  Don't worry about it.  Its standard operating practice.  2011 SpeedWeek will be here before you know it so getting the head gaskets sorted is far more important!  By the way,  Ivan in Thisted wants to be your mechanic for next year!
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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you at BUB
« Reply #535 on: October 04, 2010, 10:41:05 PM »
Lars
Looking at those gaskets, they don't have a steel fire ring
Are they available with one or can you only get that on a round gasket
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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #536 on: October 05, 2010, 02:59:38 AM »
Lars, I think Grumm found a big part of your problem.

Sometimes it is best to sneak up on a problem.  On flatheads it is easy to raise and lower the compression ratio.  I would stack three gaskets on each head, torque the heads down, run the bike, retorque the heads, and run it couple of more times.  Then I would do the same thing with two gaskets.  One of these combinations will lower the compression enough to give you decent gasket life and performance.

Sweden is close to Denmark and there are the land speed on ice races.  A great place to troubleshoot the engine make sure the gaskets work OK.     

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #537 on: October 05, 2010, 12:35:12 PM »
If someone disagrees with him all his posts disappear.

That's not the reason, but why bother.

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #538 on: October 05, 2010, 05:02:53 PM »
If someone disagrees with him all his posts disappear.

That's not the reason, but why bother.

I too am curious as to why you seem to do this a lot.

You've got to admit, without knowing what your reasoning is, it seems that Wobbly has made a fair assumption.

So please, enlighten us as to why you do this. I'm not trying to stir up anything here, I find your informative posts to be quite valuable and feel a loss when you delete them.

I read almost all the posts on these threads, trying to learn as much as I possibly can to help improve my meager efforts. I look forward to the discussions concerning different takes on technical matters. Everyone knows that there is more than one way to approach a problem and in many cases more than one "correct" solution to a given situation. Having access to a broad spectrum of opinions with information to back them is a valuable tool, and allows us to filter through them with some research and arrive at a solution that works for us.

Everyone here has seen you take a lot of time to post detailed information with quoted sources, making the effort to help others with your knowledge, and then go back and delete all that work a few days later. I'm sure that I'm no the only one that has been disappointed to go back to review some of your posts only to find them gone. The loss of this information is not a good thing.

I understand not wanting to get into a p**sing match with someone who may have a different opinion on the net, but if that's what the issue is why don't you just not reply to those folks. Leave the information that you've made so much effort to post available to those of us who may find it of use. Seems to me it's more effort to go back and delete stuff than it would be to just not reply to folks who want to argue.   :cheers:
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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #539 on: October 05, 2010, 06:53:39 PM »
"Disagree" suggests that text that I remove is my opinion. "Vanilla is better than chocolate" is an opinion. Generally, anything other than fact, historical data, actual dimensions, laws of physics will say very clearly IME, AFAIK, or attribute the statement to the original author.
My statements (widely made, and disagreed with half of the time) that high rod ratio cannot make the rod "dwell" (stop) at TDC, piston motion @ TDC and BDC are not symmetrical, piston motion B&A TDC are not symmetrical unless the pin is centered, and that 1/2 the stroke does not occur at 90° are not my opinion, and do not require validation.
When some rocket scientist "explains" "what is widely acknowledged", or "it stands to reason that", and repeats what he read off some magazine cover, I don't bother to discuss it with him.
People who post things like "increasing the compression ratio 10% increases power by 10%" are not susceptible to discussion, let alone correction.

In short, arguing with a head-strong amateur is wasting everyone's time: mine, because I don't care if he's right or not; his, because he's not going to listen; and yours, because you're waiting for the dust to settle. .