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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #810 on: August 27, 2011, 03:49:49 PM »
Nope, that would be my motorhome....sorry!  :-(

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #811 on: August 30, 2011, 01:11:17 AM »
A quick up-date from "Team Hapless Dane" ( formerly known as "The Saltcracker Team" )
here in disaster zone Bonneville.

Had an incredibly beautiful tour up from Santa Fe, taking the scenic route over the Colorado mountains.
Started from Santa Fe at 5 in the morning,
arrived at the Bend in The Road at close to midnight.
Fell out of the car and went fast asleep in my sleeping bag on the ground.


..paperwork, tech inspection and all that.
Bike runs just fine on the stand.
Test ride.....craps out
Fiddling with the electrical system.
Bike runs just fine on the stand.
Test ride.....craps out
Took every single electric part apart, including switches and all.
Bike runs just fine on the stand.
Test ride.....craps out
Tested every single wire
Bike runs just fine on the stand.
Test ride.....craps out
Replaced everything one by one, including the coil.
David went around Sunday to find one. Got one of a vehicle wreck
on the golf course.
Bike runs just fine on the stand.
Test ride.....craps out
Checked for burned stuck valve(s)
Bike runs just fine on the stand.
Test ride.....craps out
Bike runs just fine on the stand.
Test ride.....craps out
Replaced the ignition module
Bike runs just fine on the stand.
Test ride.....craps out
Disassembled the fuel shut-off
Bike runs just fine on the stand.
Test ride.....craps out
Disassembled the carb twice.
Replaced float, float-valve, diaphragm.
Bike runs just fine on the stand.
Test ride.....craps out.........................etc. in ad infinitum for two days

.......you get the idea

Finally did a lot of stuff that I can't even remember what was, including removing some
funky stuff from the fuel-filter.

Bike runs just fine on the stand.
Test ride.....runs great.....................YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH !

Got in line this afternoon,
just 10 minutes before the track closes.
Yehaaaw ! ...this it is.
Green flag...GO !
Turns on the ignition.....................NOthing

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...no no flipping no no !

Turns out the fuse had blown.
I probably inadvertently turned on the ignition at some point going to the track.



No one ever told me this would be easy ....ha ha ha....and I'm STILL having a blast !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #812 on: August 30, 2011, 01:27:29 AM »
Oh Lars.  I am really sorry to read your post.  We have been chompin' at the bit for some news.  And that wasn't the news I wanted to hear.  I was hoping to hear you hadn't room for all the record certs!!!

Tomorrow is a new day and we will be rootin' for you and the Salt Cracker!!!!  GOOOOOOOOOOOOO LARS!!!!!!!!!!!
Get off the stove Grandad.  You're too old to be riding the range.

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #813 on: August 30, 2011, 01:33:41 AM »
Lars, with that much stress there's got to be a record in there somewhere. GO FOR IT!!!!!:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #814 on: August 30, 2011, 01:38:11 AM »
Of course theres another record in there.  Lars got one at SpeedWeek and a bird never flew on one wing.
Get off the stove Grandad.  You're too old to be riding the range.

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #815 on: August 30, 2011, 01:40:23 AM »
Oh man! What a devil of a time. Wish we were closer to help figure it out...
Tomorrow is the day, I'm sure of it!

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #816 on: August 30, 2011, 01:43:20 AM »
Hi Lars,

I'm back in the UK after a very hairy flight from Philly to Manchester in the Elaine storm on Saturday... The burn is healing OK, back to work in 2 hours, my internal clock is way out of tune...

I sincerely hope you'll make it OK today... GOOD LUCK!!!

Patrick
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...What exactly are we trying to do here?...

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #817 on: August 30, 2011, 09:39:52 AM »
Hi Lars,

Your post would seem to represent the motto "Expect the unexpected!" That's apparently the Bonneville Experience as I learnt during my first and unlikely last trip there this year.

I was happy to have unexpectedly met you during Speed Week 2011 (you may recall I was assisting Beairsto Racing) and was looking forward to a chance to chat at length on supercharged Goldwings and of course study your Indian further. Alas, we got busy with our own dilemmas, you were busy and then had to leave. We'll just have to chat next year or via the Inter-aether.

I wish you good luck and "God speed" with your bike. Enjoy your trip.

Best regards from afar,



Jim

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #818 on: August 30, 2011, 09:51:34 AM »
Lars in assembly mode during Speed Week 2011...

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #819 on: August 30, 2011, 12:26:31 PM »
Bike runs just fine on the stand.
Test ride.....craps out
Fiddling with the electrical system.

Lars, perhaps stating the obvious and being certain you have already performed said check, the root of all (evil) electrical problems after ensuring signal / power points A & B are physically connected is poor grounding when using the frame or engine as a ground path. It is an often overlooked area because when you check it with nothing running, all can seem well and when the engine runs, large currents can and will flow and even small ground contact resistances can lead to large voltage drops which can then play all sorts of havoc on the electrical system, especially when dealing with ignition systems.

Once upon a time I worked for an tier 1 automotive supplier on gasoline engine management systems where I measured up to a steady (not including pulses) 2-1/2 Volts difference in ground potential between the engine and chassis someplace else in the vehicle with the engine running. If I hadn't have measured it myself, I might not have believed it. I can't count the number of times poor grounding has been the cause of electrical gremlins.

I don't suppose your stand electrically and unintentionally connects one side of the bike to the other?... the picture above would seem to indicate not (covered in tape with that stand)

Good luck with the gremlin extermination.

Jim

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #820 on: August 30, 2011, 12:39:48 PM »
Hope today goes well Lars.  Looking forward to seeing you pose with another record cert!!


By weslake at 2011-08-19
Get off the stove Grandad.  You're too old to be riding the range.

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #821 on: August 31, 2011, 07:08:10 PM »
Yet another update from "Team Hapless Dane" :

First of all:
Thank you Bill, Pete, Gill, Patrick and Jim !!!


... The burn is healing OK..
GOOD ! That's all I wanted to hear.

I was happy to have unexpectedly met you during Speed Week 2011 (you may recall I was assisting Beairsto Racing)
I certainly do. We'll keep in touch and talk blown Goldwings and stuff

Lars, perhaps stating the obvious
No: your giving good advise !
Thanks !

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and being certain you have already performed said check, the root of all (evil) electrical problems after ensuring signal / power points A & B are physically connected is poor grounding when using the frame or engine as a ground path.
Yep !...I wholeheartedly agree that it is the root of all evil,
which is why I didn't connect anything using the frame/ground.
I ran separate wires for all connections going to battery +,
but alas the gremlins had descended on the bike anyways....AURGH !

..............................................................................................

Here goes some of the ridiculously ridiculous petty-full details:

..after the aborted run the other day ( I'm too knackered to remember which day was which day )
we packed up the bike in the pit.
During the night there was a bit of a wind coming up.
No biggie....except my bike had fallen over and was lying in a pool of oil.
A sad sight...and NOT a good start of the day

..got ready to do a run as we were first in line ( because of being first in line the previous day when the race was closed )
Checked the bike in the pit.
Pushed the starter button.....Nothing !
Huh ???
Finally found a wire on the battery terminal-connection had worked it-self loose.
Weird ! Really shouldn't happen

..got in line
Start signal
Started bike
Bike died .....whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat the #/§k ?????!!!!!!!!!
Fuse burned
After lots of fooling around we found a wire that had worked itself into
a passage between the battery-box and the frame.
The minute I sat down my fat a** on the seat ( over the battery box ) it ripped the wire and short'ed it
to the frame..

OHHHHHHHH no: it ain't over: there is more misery coming up :

Fixed that.
Got in line
Go signal
Yehaaaaaaw: bike runs sweeeeeet....BRooooooooooooM ....happyness !
That is: until I got to the half-mile
Bike craps out and just dies.
AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURGH !!!
( I'm good at those long loud heartfelt " aurgh "s , wouldn't you say ?! )

Time to replace everything potential that can be replaced:
new coil, new relay, new BIG automotive fuel-filter.
The Indian guys turned up with new REAL genuine high quality
ignition rotors and a cap, both of which actually fits on the bike.

More testing and testing and testing and test runs and test runs
and disassembly and reassembly and testing and testing and testing and test runs and test runs
and replacing ignition module and stuff.....
More same same same:
inconsistent results, no logical results
and lots of unclear mixed signals,
but always would it just fart and semi-die after a bit of test-running

We had the whole Indian intelligentsia over
and a bunch of other racers whos collective racing
experience probably represents a few centuries of wisdom,
to help out and give advise.

This morning we got out there at sun-rise and went through the whole thing again
and rechecked the electric system
and in fact found a couple of embarrassing fault that could have caused the problem
( like a real bad connection on the coil to distributor HT wire )
except they weren't consistent with the fact that it ran well
first day at Speed Week but not on the second day.

Anyway: at around 11 o'clock I did the first successful test-run.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Got in line.
The 'second-before-me' bike set off.
One more guy to go and it was time to ROCK'N'ROOOOOOL !



Then the wind came up and the course was closed down for today.




Now : that's one he** of a super-sized mega bummer story....ai ?
I couldn't have made it up myself.

I think it's darn funny ! Seriously !
First one has to kind of pretend it darn funny just to cope with it
but then it does in fact become real funny......because it is darn funny !
I'm afraid that when the course was closed and we rolled the bike back on the truck
I descended into a semi-hysterical laughing fit.

If what you expected to happen always did happen, it would be real boring wouldn't it.

Thank you thank you thank you thank you to David !!!!!!!!!!!!
and to Ron who showed up the other day out of the blue
to sign up for the "Team Hapless Dane".
I've never met him before, just 'talked' to him on another forum.

Here they are:



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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #822 on: August 31, 2011, 07:17:10 PM »
Hope today goes well Lars.  Looking forward to seeing you pose with another record cert!!


By weslake at 2011-08-19

Sorry Bill. You got it wrong.
That's a paper stating that I'm committed to the funny-farm.
They send me off when I couldn't stop laughing hysterically
while screaming and shouting and punching wildly into thin air
trying to knock down the demons that surrounded me.

I'm writing this in a room with the lock on the outside,
wearing a straight-jacket, using my nose to tap the keyboard.
..
Took me about two hours......stopping now....my nose is bleeding.....%Æ)¤....
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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #823 on: August 31, 2011, 07:22:25 PM »
Lars,

I absolutely ADORE you!!!!    :cheers:

Being decended from Danish Stock myself, I Love the NO-QUIT-I"LL-FIGURE IT OUT-GAME ON in you!!

You are my Hero this year!!

Lynda
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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #824 on: August 31, 2011, 09:28:12 PM »
Lars,
Stand strong, you will prevail.

Don
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