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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #795 on: August 20, 2011, 01:10:34 PM »
Lars,
No bike this year for me. But, I will see you at Bub's.

Joe

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #796 on: August 21, 2011, 11:14:22 PM »
Thank you so much
Charlie, General Shovel, Ed ( see you soon man ), Graham in Aus, Oz ( see you next year , oi ?! ),
Chris ( see you too next year ! ), OldScrambler, Strathbran Steve, Twinspeed, 55Chevr /Joe,
Larry, Franey, Ed, David, Don ( extra magnum thanks to you ! ) , Bo , Bill ( and an extra super-sized thanks to you ),
Freud ( I'm just SO glad I had the honour of shaking your hand ) and Ray.

You are the best !


I had a fantastic trip down to Santa Fe.
It reeeeeeally is a be...auuuu...tiful country you got ya'self here.
Someone:     hand me a green-card please !

Southern Utah...into Colorado...down into new Mexico...a feat for the eyes

Success isnt a destination ... it is a journey ...

That's a keeper !!!
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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #797 on: August 21, 2011, 11:53:47 PM »
Highlights of the trip down here so far:

...getting pulled over by the Utah Highway Patrol for speeding.
I guess I've seen too many bad TV-series , but I got a bit...nervous..terrified...when he stepped out of the cruiser
and I noticed he unbuttoned the strap on his gun and as he walked up to me
he kept his hand hoovering just over the handle ( or whatever it's called ) of his gun.
I'm telling you; we don't get that in little peaceful Denmark.
Inside my head I was going: " NO 'funny' movements...NO sudden reaching for my licence and stuff...keep calm...sit still)
Standing at the open passenger-side window, I could detect that he still had his hand there,
so I told him  "Officer, I need to reach down in my bag and get my licence".
Looking at my licence he asked me what part of Denmark I was from,
and it turned out he had lived for a while in Sweden and quite often visited Copenhagen, Denmark.
He was all friendly and polite...checked my licence and let me off with a
" You're set to go. Drive safely".
..PHEW !

There's an Indian Art Festival taking place in Santa Fe this week-end
and the motel prices has been cranked up to at least double level
so I went for cheap....real cheap:

....OK I could live with the fact that the motel-room was 10 feet from one of the main streets
with the four-wheeled BOOM-boxes cruising by
....and the fact that the Fire Brigade was just around the corner, passing my room going out on duty
....and the fact that it obviously was the main route for the police cruisers going into town with the sirens at full volume
on a rowdy Saturday night
....and the fact that the all-pink (!!!) room probably hadn't been cleaned since the mid-nineties
....and that there were left-over clothing and stuff from the previous guests
....and the guy outside yelling at himself
....and the p!ss-drunk old woman stumbling up to me and David sitting outside the room
asking for a beer.
What did it for me was when I, real exhausted and tired, wanted to go to bed,
pulled of the bed-cover and found the "fresh" looking blood-stains on the bed sheets and cover.
AURGH !....big-time AURGH !
Too tired to do anything about it, I ripped it all off, threw it in a corner,
and got my sleeping bag from the car to sleep in.

Got a nice new room today which has a nifty car-port to it.



Brilliant !
David and I unloaded the bike unto it, and now I have great 'workshop'.
I've started to make a don't-know-what-to-call-it
thingy with little notches to hold the gear-lever in position



It will be bolted to the frame front down-tubes.
I'll finish it tomorrow and then on to checking the other thing on the bike.

Never a boring moment !
It's a great adventure.


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« Last Edit: August 21, 2011, 11:56:59 PM by octane »
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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #798 on: August 22, 2011, 12:30:44 AM »
I know you havent the same gearstick system but I thougt it is appropriate to attach the positive gear lock system that Burt used on his naked bike, a simple spring steel flat iron bent to suit the application, maybe there is still a thing or two to learn from that dirty old man?? :-D
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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #799 on: August 22, 2011, 01:04:38 AM »
Lars, a simple 2-wheel drive four cylinder truck with a canopy on the back and a light little trailer has done well for me.  I sleep in the back of the truck or on an army cot next to it.  This is all I have done for most of my life and it works just great.

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« Reply #800 on: August 22, 2011, 01:55:09 AM »
I'm trying once again, this forum reply program is acting up, sorry if double posted, What I wanted to show is the gear lock system on Berts liner, the entire lever is springing behind an angle iron in third gear for a more absolute gear arrest.

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #801 on: August 22, 2011, 10:43:57 AM »

Here's a pic of "my" crew. Again cool dressers, those guys.
Bob and Bill wearing the Saltcracker T-shirts
and on the right Graham ( "Grumm" ) has sneaked into the pic






I'm terribly sorry Joe.
I must have been tired or something when I posted this.
The caption should read:
Joe and Bill wearing the Saltcracker T-shirts.

Thanks Joe for your help !


Bo:
A four cylinder truck won't do for me.
That's how we do it at home.
I'm in the U.S. of BIG A.....nothing but a V8 will do

.-)


Charlie:
Thanks.
I get your point...including the point about 'absolute third gear arrest'.
What I'm doing is similar...but different.
There's only so much I can do with a few hand-tools in a carport.
We'll se how it works.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2011, 10:52:58 AM by octane »
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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #802 on: August 22, 2011, 02:08:39 PM »
It's crude....very crude



...but I hope it works.
I does work 'bench-testing' it here. Of course real life seams to differ somewhat from that



Well, well...I'm doing my best
in my little 'workshop' with a bunch of cheapo tools

« Last Edit: August 22, 2011, 02:26:33 PM by octane »
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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #803 on: August 22, 2011, 06:52:55 PM »
Youre doing excellent work with what you have! Neat and elegant as always. I hope nothing bad happened in the gearbox, A whole lotta' heavy metal and rock and roll is going on in there but it shouldn't jump out of gear. The third gear dogs can become a little rounded and loose their ability to grip properly, that's usual but something more sinister could have happened like main axle bent or the outgoing ball bearing have gotten more play than it should have. Hash gearchange, torque power or oval sprockets puts tremendous stress on the outer bearing.  A check would be if the chain sprocket is wobbling or if there is excessive play in the axle. Bearing play and main axle internal play might only be possible to be felt with the chain off. Play can be felt at the starter gear that is fastened on the main axle (maybe difficult with the electric starter on) but a bent main axle might be felt if you push a finger on the chain when the engine is idling and gear in neutral.

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #804 on: August 24, 2011, 09:43:39 AM »
Hi Lars, regarding gearchange, Moen's probably told you, but have you thought about winding in the threaded tube that holds the gear selector ball in place by spring pressure? You'll need a 1" spanner & it's a pain to get into as it's halfway up the box between the engine plates.
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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #805 on: August 25, 2011, 06:47:51 PM »
Youre doing excellent work with what you have! Neat and elegant...
Thanks Charlie, but 'elegant' isn't quite the first word
that comes to mind, looking at that thingy
.-)


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....as always. I hope nothing bad happened in the gearbox, A whole lotta' heavy metal and rock and roll is going on in there but it shouldn't jump out of gear. The third gear dogs can become a little rounded and loose their ability to grip properly, that's usual but something more sinister could have happened like main axle bent or the outgoing ball bearing have gotten more play than it should have. Hash gearchange, torque power or oval sprockets puts tremendous stress on the outer bearing.  A check would be if the chain sprocket is wobbling or if there is excessive play in the axle. Bearing play and main axle internal play might only be possible to be felt with the chain off. Play can be felt at the starter gear that is fastened on the main axle (maybe difficult with the electric starter on) but a bent main axle might be felt if you push a finger on the chain when the engine is idling and gear in neutral.
Thanks for all your advise.
I checked it....can't seam to find anything wrong.
BTW, I just don't think my riding this thing will screw the box.
As I understand it the box is more or less identical to the one on the big Chiefs
which has way more torque and power than my bike, so it should be OK.


Hi Lars, regarding gearchange, Moen's probably told you..
....yep and I told myself..ha ha.
I had that box assembled and disassembled about 8 time when I build the bike
so I am aware of the ball-mechanism.
The thing is, as you point out , that it's almost impossible to get to.
On my bike, maybe even harder than on the original, as I have
non-original engine/gear-box mount plates.


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but have you thought about winding in the threaded tube that holds the gear selector ball in place by spring pressure? You'll need a 1" spanner & it's a pain to get into as it's halfway up the box between the engine plates.
Thanks Chris for your advise and the nifty pics !


I've be going through the bike from a to z
and one thing I did find was that .......aaaaaruuugh...not AGAIN:....
under the distributor cap I found bits of bakelite and fine brass-'dust'
...the ignition distributor rotor had been bumping into the little brass thingies
inside the cap and knocked a piece of itself off in the process



The reason:
those rotors are just crap !!!
They simply do NOT fit the shaft they go on...the 'hole' doesn't fit
and the notch inside the 'hole' doesn't fit,
so the poor thing is floating about sideways, up, down and tilting.
The result: it knocks into the brass thingies and in the process it disintegrates
and the rivet breaks loose

Here's the first one I ran last year



..here's the second or third or whatever...I guess I've been through 7 or eight of these horrible things

( disregard the blue lines etc. )




Solution:

First file back the brass thingies ever so slightly

..massage in a lump of JB-Weld into the 'hole' in the rotor
..lube the shaft onto which it goes , with WD-40 ( acting as a 'casting lubrication' )
..force down the rotor over the shaft....let it sit for just a little while
..lift it up....now it has a shape 'inside' that actually fits the shaft
..let the JB-Weld harden
..glue ! the bloody thing to the shaft


The motor-home is still ( AAAAAAAARRRRGHHHH ! ) in red-tape hell.
Had to extend the pick-up truck rental.

Truck is loaded...ready to leave.
I'll leave Santa Fe, together with my friend down here David,
at 5 o'clock tomorrow morning -----------> Bonneville here we come !!!

Looking forward to see a bunch of you guys
and to set ( knock on wood ) a better record !






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Vince Lombardi
« Last Edit: August 25, 2011, 07:31:47 PM by octane »
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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #806 on: August 25, 2011, 09:16:42 PM »
The best of luck Lars.  A few runs like the first one last week and you'll be heading home with a suitcase stuffed with records!!!
Get off the stove Grandad.  You're too old to be riding the range.

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #807 on: August 25, 2011, 09:25:47 PM »
Lars: Don't let the b a s t a r d s wear you down.

Turn to anyone that can help you.

Get every minute out of the hours you spend on the Salt.

It's normal to go home totally wasted but spend the energy getting those records.

Best always,

FREUD
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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #808 on: August 26, 2011, 12:14:58 AM »
What freud said.
Go get em Lars, we're pulling for you.

Don and Gus

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Re: INDIAN 741 Supercharged...See you in 2011
« Reply #809 on: August 27, 2011, 09:03:19 AM »
LandspeedLarry,
   Regarding your breaking caps and rotors, one must look at the bushings in the botom of the distributor drive. When they are worn a few thousands they let the shaft get "wobbly-cocked" and lean over and strike the cap. We aklways redo the busj=hes and hone the bushings to get the best we can with spark timing. Is that your dodge motorhome at the bend in the road yesterday at BUB?
   Shot in the dark, formerly Rocky