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« Reply #225 on: April 17, 2010, 01:19:58 PM »

Thank you VERY much all of you for your all too kind words !
It's very encouraging that you take an interest in my little project
and I owe so many of you for that, and for all the good advise I've been handled here.

Thanks !

A special thanks to Glen and Lynda !...you may not be the ones that bring home the trophies
but with out people like you, doing the work you do, there would be no LSR
and no one would would bring home any trophies or run the Salt at all.

Now for the sake of variety I'll now go from small stuff to
....er......smalLER stuff. Uaaargh:

Just when I'd finished my intake thingy it dawned to me that I had
completely forgotten ( in my self-congratulating joy of having done my first ever alu-welded part )
that there are two holes in the carburettor that act as air-intake
for the idle-circuit
: ( EDIT: had to (re) read up on the SU carb system:
In fact one hole vents the float-chamber. The other vents the space underside of the vacuum piston (as it lifts up))



...that by now I had blocked with the flange of the new intake.
Doooh, Mister SmartA** welder !
If I was to make a new thingy I would lose the joy of taking my first ever alu-thingy
to Bonneville AND probably destroy the INDIAN-Sport air-horn in the process of ripping it off the intake.

What to do ?
Contact the INDIAN spirits for advise, of cause!

I obviously got the wrong number, cause me cry for help was answered by
a guy who introduced himself a Mr. MacGyver ..huh?!

Here's what he said:
"...Don't do anything stupid, like starting all over again.
Don't go buy anything. Look around. See what you've got.
Don't use any fancy machines. If there's ANY chance you can get to use a hacksaw:
use a hacksaw !!!.."

I looked around for un-fancy machinery. A battery-drill was what I found.
Ahhh: found a bit of left-over tubes from when I cut up the original oil-lines.
I could hacksaw' them, couldn't I.

Bored two holes in the flange, that would line up with the idle-air intake on the carb.
Stuck in said tube.




...sawed back the tube




...worked them a bit, ( with the hacksaw, of cause ) to make them fit




...fits quite nicely




...'glued' them in, using Grey Permatex ( couldn't use any two-pack stuff like epoxy
as methanol dissolves every two-pack stuff I've tested )




...works for me










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« Reply #226 on: April 17, 2010, 01:29:38 PM »

Lar's sent me a really neat tee shirt last year(Crew Shirt) also a couple of neat pictures of the bike. I was really disappointed when he was unable to cross the pond and run on the salt. He has a lot of fans on this side and everyone of us is pulling for his build to go fast.
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Me too (t-shirt).  If you won't be here for SpeedWeek again this year Lars, then once again I'll wear your t-shirt on Saturday to kick off the beginning of Speedweek 2010!

You'd better show up pretty soon!! 

Lynda

You have no idea how much it means to me,
reading such words , when it comes from you two.





BTW: the t-shirts.
I must have been influenced by that MacGyver guy when I decided what to do
with those 2009 t-shirts I had lying around:

I got a friend to make me these little things that I can iron on to the t-shirts
covering the "2009"



...ha ha !
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« Reply #227 on: April 17, 2010, 01:51:51 PM »

bike is looking great, lars.

do you have a better pic of handlebars?
I'm afraid I do
.-)



It's the result of being tired debating with myself how to do it,
so I made beyond-MacGyver-primitive set-up.
Flat piece of steel with 8 holes, 4 Home Depot-type U-thingies holding it to the fork-legs.
Handlebar-raiser-clamp-set  sawed down holding handlebar to flat steel.

Was supposed to be temporary, but.... hey !
PS: the handlebar will be set lower for actual running

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morse cable for the brake pedal.
Yes Sir.

. I don't remember, have you decided which meets you'll be able to make this year

I was planning on going to BUB event and hopefully meet up with the Dreamcatcher crew
with whom I spend a great time in 2008
BUT
IF this thing will be ready in time ...and IF it works OK ....and IF it doesn't self-implode
...and IF I have the time (likely) ....and IF I have the money (less likely)
I will go to Speed Week, drive around for a week and come back to the BUB event

And I really like your workshop, very neat and cosy.
Thanks. I like to work in an orderly place
and also because I certainly spend more time here then at home.
During Easter I didn't bother going home at night, but slept on a madras on the floor.

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In the last pic, the BSA seems to levitate off the ground… magic workshop.
The real magic will be the moment the Indian runs properly.

At that moment I will be the one levitating !!!
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« Reply #228 on: April 17, 2010, 02:16:15 PM »

Re: the reason for using Ultra Grey Permatex for 'glue'-ing in the tubes.

Some of you might find this infotaining:

A couple of years ago I did this highy scientific test:

6 different brands of liquid gasket / silicone RTV
(including some other stuff from Honda, Hylomar, Permatex and Loctite I've used before)

Put it on some rather slippery plastic to see how well it 'glue's on to that
and on an old outer cover and laid washers on it
to see which one 'glue's the best, when I ripped off the washers after 24 hours:



( I do understand that they have different qualities;
some are supposed to 'cure' like silicone,
others will remain 'sticky'. )



Here's the result:

Test one: press a finger firmly down on the gasket and move finger to the right
(to test adhesion when used between two surfaces that flex/move/expand)

Surface is VERY smooth/slippery plastic


Upper row:
Honda Liquid Gasket 1216 (not Hondabond)---> wouldn't break loose (but using fingernails it came off quite easily)
Blue Hylomar ---> sticks on, no matter what I did (but being a non-curing type it did of cause change 'shape')
Permatex Ultra Blue ---> broke loose



Lower row:
Loctite 5926 Blue (silicone-based) ---> sticks VERY well. Didn't brake loose (but disintegrated within it own 'body' when using blunt force)
Permatex  Ultra Grey ---> broke loose
Non-brand 'blue universal'---> acted the same as Blue Hylomar






Test 2.: grab the washer and pull. To test adhesion metal to metal.

Upper row:

Honda Liquid Gasket 1216 --->took some force to break loose. Never let go of metal but 'broke' within it's own 'body'
Blue Hylomar ---> just 'squashed' loose . Gasket-material however still present ON the metal.
Permatex Ultra Blue ---> couldn't get it off using my fingers. VERY strong adhesion



Lower row:
Loctite 5926 Blue (silicone-based) ---> broke off easily. Did NOT glue on to the surface. Just snapped off.
Permatex  Ultra Grey ---> couldn't get it off using my fingers. VERY strong adhesion
Non-brand 'blue universal'---> acted the same as Blue Hylomar






OK: I'm a geek
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« Reply #229 on: April 17, 2010, 03:17:42 PM »

thanks for taking the time                                     willie buchta
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« Reply #230 on: April 17, 2010, 03:21:41 PM »

Willie, you beat me to it by a minute or so.  I was going to say the same thing -- thanks for doing what might, at first, sound silly -- but testing the gluing abilities and the curing/flexing ways of the various compounds -- is something that many of us oughta do but never  other with.  Thanks to you we all have a better idea of which one to use for any specific job.

So -- speaking of driving around 'tween Speedweek and Bub's -- I believe we've already all told you where you should go during your time, but in case you haven't yet filled your itinerary -- ask so we can inundate you with good ideas.  And - don't forget to plan on attending Salt Talks Sunday of Speedweek.  You'll get to meet many of the folks with whom you chat here on the Forum, including Glen and (maybe) Lynda - if she can get loose from her Land's End duties.
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« Reply #231 on: April 17, 2010, 04:38:46 PM »

That's a real fine looking dash up front with the Indian script.
  Are you making these modifications to the carb and bleeds as found in the first attempt to run?
  Or is this your plan?
   Finish your reading, yet?
   Still have a big lump in chest.
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« Reply #232 on: April 17, 2010, 07:07:16 PM »

Lars,
   Geez, I am embarassed as I appear to have answered before I read ALL the stuff you just added.
   Maybe I need to hang one of your foil hats in the sweat lodge for inspiration?
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« Reply #233 on: April 18, 2010, 03:50:28 AM »

Lars..... thank you for your up-date to present. Hey all those little things that you might think are boring actually help others. I have my own business and make my living through welding. I think what you have done displays a determined man on a mission. You have come a long way on a true life journey...... learnt new skills and overcome difficulties on the way. You are an insiration to allot of people who might think their dreams are far from grasp.....
All the best to you......
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« Reply #234 on: April 21, 2010, 03:02:18 AM »

Thank you very much for your kind words Joe!

Thanks all !
and Slim: I'd love to attend the Salt Talks and meet the all good folks from this forum.
We'll, see how it works out.

Rocky: always have a tin-foil hat within reach.
You never know when they come to beam you up !

.-)

I've decided to try and do all the small stuff before turning
my attention to the engine, which by now is ready to be fired up.
I'm quite sure a bunch of problems ...erhh...'challenges' will turn up as I turn to the engine
and it would be nice to focus all attention on that, not having to care about the small stuff.


Handed the seat-pan to the upholstery guy Monday noon.
Picked up the finished seat  Tuesday noon.
THAT's my kind of guy !
He's done a fine job. It's not like you just wrap a piece of vinyl around a piece of foam..is it!?

...felt glued to the edge of pan, so it won't cut into the vinyl
...hard foam
...soft foam




..cover made by sewing vinyl and material together with foam in between




...to get that "sausages-in-a-row" look



All for the pricey sum of around 65$.
The world is still a good place.


While it was away I played around with different types of foam myself




..to make a 'pillow' on which to rest my manly chest.
Hard foam / and soft rubber-like foam on top. I'll take it to the upholstery guy today.



Now anyone who have tried shaping foam know that it's a royal pain
to try doing it with any sort of normal knife, be it a box-cutter type or kitchen knife of some sort.
The foam simply changes shape as you cut it and you have no control over the cutting.

This is probably old news to you, but for those who don't know the trick
you'll be happy I told you this:
.-)

Use one of them electrical knifes that have two blades rubbing against each other.



Cutting foam now becomes as easy as cutting soft butter with a hot knife.

Here's a short video to show how it works.
Mind you; the reason it works a bit slow on the video
is because I'm cutting some very 'heavy' rubber-like foam.
( Click on the image )




Sanded and polished the tank to a mat finish



Masked off



Did a quick rattle-can spray job in the workshop back room




Masked off using a self-adhesive 'negative' made by a friend



A bit of rattling the rattle can again



...and : hey



...and the same thing with the "MOTORCYCLE" letters



Will add white "shadows" by hand, later.

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« Reply #235 on: April 21, 2010, 07:27:38 PM »

bike is looking great, lars.

do you have a better pic of handlebars?
I'm afraid I do
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It's the result of being tired debating with myself how to do it,
so I made beyond-MacGyver-primitive set-up.
Flat piece of steel with 8 holes, 4 Home Depot-type U-thingies holding it to the fork-legs.
Handlebar-raiser-clamp-set  sawed down holding handlebar to flat steel.

Was supposed to be temporary, but.... hey !
PS: the handlebar will be set lower for actual running


looks like it will work fine

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bub '08 - 153.697 a/pf   pump gas
bub '09 - 156.377 aps/pf  ran out of gear
lta  '10 - 158.208  2 much gear 2x
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« Reply #236 on: April 22, 2010, 10:46:34 AM »

Eric,
It just keeps getting better!! Love the seat and the paint job!! Beautiful!

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« Reply #237 on: April 22, 2010, 11:53:32 AM »

I hereby nominate this Indian for the Salt Talks tee-shirt.
Do I hear a second?

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« Reply #238 on: April 22, 2010, 12:20:39 PM »

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« Reply #239 on: April 22, 2010, 12:21:30 PM »

Third!!  But only because you hit post before I did!!

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