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Author Topic: Venable Rods and Racing - 53 Studebaker Build E/CGALT  (Read 180498 times)
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« Reply #750 on: July 09, 2010, 09:02:43 PM »

Dan,

That is a 2012 potential project.

I have to recover from this build first and I have to figure out this darn clutch issue...

This is very rare for me/us,,, normally everything works with just minor tweaks needed.. this clutch not working is more than MINOR to me,,, it is MAJOR  more so because I have no idea what is wrong or how to fix it..

Charles
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Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
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« Reply #751 on: July 09, 2010, 09:03:10 PM »

The diameter of the piston in the master cylinder is usually marked somewhere on the outside. If you do not have a large enough piston or a long enough stroke you won't get the .250 travel required to release your clutch (.110  clearance +.140 to release per QM chart). Check how much the master cyl piston is actualy moved by the pedal linkage.
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« Reply #752 on: July 09, 2010, 09:09:48 PM »

Did you bleed the master cylinder?
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« Reply #753 on: July 09, 2010, 09:20:11 PM »

Did you bleed the master cylinder?

Peter, yes we did,,, we do not have a pedal stop, so we may have over traveled the release bearing piston as a few posters on here have mentioned.  If we have, I would guess we have to take it out and press it back in place and start over ....

Charles
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« Reply #754 on: July 09, 2010, 09:28:50 PM »

Try to isolate the problem area before yanking stuff apart...    Verify master passes fluid when pedal depressed, then verify that flow before entering the slave. Then crack the bleeder on the slave and verify again.  Then you know it's the slave and you can tear it apart. I'm as close as the phone.     vic
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« Reply #755 on: July 09, 2010, 09:33:25 PM »

Try to isolate the problem area before yanking stuff apart...    Verify master passes fluid when pedal depressed, then verify that flow before entering the slave. Then crack the bleeder on the slave and verify again.  Then you know it's the slave and you can tear it apart. I'm as close as the phone.     vic

Thanks  Vic,

Larry may have to call you Monday... is it OK if I give him your cell number,,, I am tied up Mon - Fri next week not back in shop till next saturday.. So maybe it's a good thing I am gone and Larry can resolve this problem....

I am so mad and frustrated,,, I am about to be throwing wrenches around the shop,,,

Charles
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Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
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« Reply #756 on: July 09, 2010, 09:46:00 PM »

Charles,

Car is beautiful!  Better than the computer image.  Very nice job!

The clutch...  I only found one listing for the master cylinder at 3/4 bore.  Going by the chart this will give .36 inch travel at one inch of m/c travel.  Your pedal (I guess) has 7:1 ratio.

You need .110 free play and .140 to release the clutch (again a guess).  This requires about 5 inches of travel at the pedal.  More than that and you can push the bearing out too far eventually cocking it and causing a jam.  Less than this and the clutch will not release.  A pedal stop is needed.

The info at: http://www.racingclutches.com/~rclutch/prod_imgs/pdf/900117%20Universal%20Bearing.pdf    is very good.

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« Reply #757 on: July 09, 2010, 09:58:53 PM »

Geo,,,

I think we have to much pedal travel and cocked the piston out  and jammed it,,, that makes the most sense.


Larry may be able to get this resolved Monday,,, if not,,,


Vic aka "Krusty"  knows this stuff and he is just 35 minutes away,,, I think he can help Larry resolve this for me since I will not be in the shop next week.

Like PJ told me a few minutes ago,,, get a good nights sleep and I will have a better perspective in the morning.. I am just wound to tight right now,,, I guess I am just use to having things go right the first time (most of the time)  LOL

Charles
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Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
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« Reply #758 on: July 09, 2010, 10:02:42 PM »

Charles,

Car is beautiful!  Better than the computer image.  Very nice job!


Geo

Geo,

Thanks for the kind words and compliments... I am very pleased with the fit and finish, both inside and outside.

I was very concerned that the actual car would not look like the art work.. I am very happy that it came out well.

The pictures I have posted do not do the car justice,, it sure does look better and meaner in person,,, thn when you hear her run !!!! whew gets me excited just thinking about it,,,

Charles
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Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
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« Reply #759 on: July 10, 2010, 07:22:05 AM »

Charles, the car looks great  cheers  I may have to have you design the paint scheme on my next build!
Keep up the good work.
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« Reply #760 on: July 10, 2010, 08:10:16 AM »

Keep at it you will get it sorted out.Man that car is a work of art.
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« Reply #761 on: July 10, 2010, 09:25:00 AM »

Charles Darlin'  what a beautiful Lady you have created!!!  Don't let this glitch get to you so much!!!  No wonder you got shingles!!!  Step back, take a deep breath, close your eyes and picture your "Lady" on the salt....another deep breath..okay!   

Don't know about you, but that made me ready for the salt!!   rolleyes   grin

 Enjoy the beautiful art you have created!

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« Reply #762 on: July 10, 2010, 11:49:01 AM »

Thanks Lynda, Terry, Randy, PJ, Geo, Vic  etc...

I had a good nights sleep and I will let Larry and whomever he can consult with fix the clutch,,,

Best thing for me is to chill out... I am sure it is something minor,,, but ya know,,, I am high strung and hyper LOL


I am working in my shop today and getting stuff together to rig the trailer up to carry the Stude and Bradley's  bike to Maine.


Charles
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Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Loring 204.109mph

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« Reply #763 on: July 10, 2010, 05:23:39 PM »

Ironies of racing!  bled the clutch on the RMR today and noticed a drip drip drip  from the bellhousing. Ain't nuttin' in there with liquid but the slave cylinder!  angry  Oh, well, engine/trans out one more time; Monday I'll rebuild the slave (i.e., replace the seal).  Perhaps you should ignore my advise.  grin       vic
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« Reply #764 on: July 10, 2010, 05:32:21 PM »

Do you have a stop on the pedal Vic? evil evil evil

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