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Author Topic: Venable Rods and Racing - 53 Studebaker Build E/CGALT  (Read 180149 times)
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« Reply #570 on: May 02, 2010, 10:37:39 AM »

SSS,,, great eye my friend,, you must have turned your monitor upside down, or looked at my pic before your morning cup of coffee.

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Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
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« Reply #571 on: May 02, 2010, 11:31:59 AM »

don't tell Mikek, he won't understand, he thinks all beer labels are upside down. evil
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« Reply #572 on: May 02, 2010, 11:37:16 AM »

well I went to the inspection class last week at Steve's shop, good luck
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« Reply #573 on: May 02, 2010, 11:47:28 AM »

well I went to the inspection class last week at Steve's shop, good luck

So in the class did He say absolutely no alternate gusset configurations would be allowed ?

Thanks for the info,,, this is helpfull, as now I will make triple sure I have the build diary, notes and conversation logs present at tech in case this comes up...

I appreciate the heads up. 

Charles
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« Reply #574 on: May 02, 2010, 12:14:50 PM »

Charles, didn't you work with Joe Timney on the cage design and build? Seems I remember the discussion a while back. The ECTA rule book shows both types of bracing. I would hopoe the way this is a new build it would have had some prior approval.
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« Reply #575 on: May 02, 2010, 12:20:10 PM »

well I went to the inspection class last week at Steve's shop, good luck

  Our 222 car [Alston chassis] has diagonal braces similar to Charle's chassis and was said to exceed SCTA specs by an inspector chassis builder.

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« Reply #576 on: May 02, 2010, 12:40:16 PM »


Every major  and most every tube junction has "tubular Gussets"  1" round x .120 DOM.. These tubular gussets are superior to those little stitch welded plates.  I have gussets at many more places than the rules require

Charles

Charles,

I like your Tubular Gussets. I have personally never liked the stitched welded plates. The biggest reason being they are salt collectors. I am sure you are OK, since you got the blessing of the hierarchy of the racing organizations.

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« Reply #577 on: May 02, 2010, 12:49:06 PM »

Tube gussets are OK, lets move on.
Why powder coat? We have found that a color that matches a paint that can be bought in a spray can will work great. How many times will you have to add a brackey or modify the frame for some reason?
Grinding off the powder coat and then matching the color after welding is difficult at best.

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« Reply #578 on: May 02, 2010, 01:45:18 PM »

Thanks to all on the Powder vs Paint,,,  (glad the tubular gusset concern is yesterdays news... LOL) n

Sometimes it just boils down to a choice.

I understand all the concerns associated with Powder Coating, I also understand a few benefits.. I weighed all the options. Time may prove my decision right, wrong or nuetral... then if I was wrong.. oh well we can unbolt and remove the body in well less than 4 hours and try something new...

The one thing I like about this sport and this site is all the info and dialouge we can have and all be friends,, I know you die hard veterens still think I am crazy going with powder,,, but let's just have a drink at sunset on the Salt some day... My Treat..

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Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
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« Reply #579 on: May 02, 2010, 02:34:19 PM »

Love to have one with ya at sunset, the problem is the salt police start making their rounds at sunset kicking us off the salt.  They do give you a little time, after their 3rd visit they do get a little short. cheers
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« Reply #580 on: May 02, 2010, 06:13:44 PM »

Nancy and I have been the "salt police" -- at last year's Speedweek, indeed.  We wewre doing ok, getting most everyone to happily cooperate, begging for five more minutes or "'til we finish this last beer", or whatever.  Then we spied a group of people way the heck towards the mountains, northwest of the end of the course.  We drove out there (being careful, but was ready with the 4WD button just in case) -- and what'd we find but about five guys and a video camera.  The guys were dressed in somewhat, uhn, outrageous outfits - for guys.  On girls they might have been appropriate.  See where this is going?  They had sorta high voices and were real careful about making sure their eyebrows were combed just so -- and so on.

So we asked this group (Nancy was in no fear of them hitting on her -- I can't say the same about me) why the heck were they out there, and out so late -- and they said they were filming something and had the official BLM permit to do so.  Okay, that was a good enough story for us -- they didn't have a clue about the LSR event going on - didn't know there was anything happening -- so we hauled Acura outa there and headed back towards the relative sanctity of the pits -- and folks that were merely half-drunk or doing last-minute wrenching -- lots easier to take.

And that ends this digression.  We now return you to the regular topic of Charles' Studebaker build.
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« Reply #581 on: May 02, 2010, 09:50:33 PM »

  Dan, I disagree with your take on powder coating.  In higher humidity climates, paint will not stay on a chassis and suspension parts after a trip or two to the salt.  You can clean it off, and three months later it will grow salt back from the humidity and residue.  The car will drip wet salt from who knows where all winter in my heated garage at a constant 60 degrees.
  After eleven trips to the salt with my Stude, the only things that NEVER rust are stainless bolts, and my powdercoated frame and suspension.
  I have ground off powder coating with a sanding disc on a small grinder more than once, and touch up paint is cheap when necessary.......................  just my two bits.....................
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« Reply #582 on: May 02, 2010, 09:55:24 PM »

Bob,

Your experience is good to know. We just never spent the money on powder coat and our cars have been so fast  grin that the salt didn't stick. Eleven trips is more than we ever made with a single car.

But, the more important item is - sunset is around 9PM, way too late to start drinking.

BYW, my wife was in Las Vegas last weekend so I brewed some Apple Pie for the first time. Too much sugar, too sweet. So after I drink this batch I will try again.

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« Reply #583 on: May 03, 2010, 09:12:47 AM »

DW,,, in most cases I would agree that Powder Coating is more expensive than paint.

But in my case,,, I am getting the entire Chassis, all suspension parts, all interior sheetmetal, step pan, roof rails, rear spoiler, inner front fenders etc.. all powder Coated (both sides)  for
$400...
I can't paint it for that (when you include time and materials

 (to save money, I did spray paint my Headers with Ceramic High Heat Paint) cheers


Charles
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ECTA Record Holder Maxton
E/CBFALT, E/CBGALT, E/CGALT, E/CFALT, A/CGALT, C/CGALT, D/CGALT, C/CBGALT, B/CBGALT, C/CFALT
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Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Loring 204.109mph

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« Reply #584 on: May 03, 2010, 11:39:50 AM »

Excellent price.

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