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Author Topic: Venable Rods and Racing - 53 Studebaker Build E/CGALT  (Read 180531 times)
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« Reply #495 on: March 29, 2010, 12:20:13 PM »

Charles --

I see we're using the same brand rear shocks.

Stan

Stan, I didn't know your rear end was so elaborate. grin

Stan,  you have a Keen Eye for detail,,, yes I am sure a bunch of us use good old 1x1 for ride height mock up's of our suspension,,,, BUT, you seem to forget to remove it and insert the appropriate coilovers LOL  cheers cheers.. is is forgetfull or frugal ??   cheers

Bville,, I guess elaborate for Stan is using the same size bolts in each shock mount  evil

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E/CBFALT, E/CBGALT, E/CGALT, E/CFALT, A/CGALT, C/CGALT, D/CGALT, C/CBGALT, B/CBGALT, C/CFALT
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A/CBFALT, B/CBFALT, C/CBFALT, C/CFALT, C/CGALT,   E/CGALT, E/CFALT

Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Loring 204.109mph

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« Reply #496 on: March 29, 2010, 12:31:29 PM »

57, Dr Googles and Crow,

57, I will be at Maxton in April with the Vicky, out to Sea in May and back at Maxton with the Stude in June (cross your fingers).

Dr. G... thanks for the kind words,, yes I/We try to pay attention to detail, fit and finish and keep it neat and business like as you stated.  It sure ain't easy, but we are nearing the home stretch of the build.

Crow,  man thanks for all your words of encouragement,,, now...GET your Truck done,.. I have not seen any updates  Huh?

Charles
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E/CBFALT, E/CBGALT, E/CGALT, E/CFALT, A/CGALT, C/CGALT, D/CGALT, C/CBGALT, B/CBGALT, C/CFALT
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B/CGALT, C/CGALT

LTA Record Holder and 200 Club Member
A/CBFALT, B/CBFALT, C/CBFALT, C/CFALT, C/CGALT,   E/CGALT, E/CFALT

Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Loring 204.109mph

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« Reply #497 on: March 29, 2010, 08:43:24 PM »

 grin   Yesssss Sirrr! lol  Finaly getting some time, will up date.      Crow
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« Reply #498 on: March 31, 2010, 12:11:50 PM »

Charles,

I'm contemplating a change in my racing hobby from vintage sports cars to LSR, and have found your build thread vary inspirational and enlightening, as I'm considering a similar project.  Or, maybe find a car that is already built, and make the mods to it to fit my needs, I'm a large guy like yourself.

I do have a couple of questions for you.  First, having limited skills in bodywork & welding, and wanting to try doing a lot of the work myself, are the body panels (the rear quarter for example) on a Studebaker bolted on as your pictures make them look?  And second, in the pictures of your roll cage and the containment seat, I don't see any supports for the seat back and headrest to the roll cage, let alone any side support for the seat.

I hope you don't mind if I ask you question as I get started.  I've exchanged a few emails with another Stude racer, Gary Hart, and he's been helpful, I'm also considering his car for my start in LSR.

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« Reply #499 on: March 31, 2010, 12:55:55 PM »

GEH458,

No problem asking questions. Hope I can help as others have helped me.

Yes the Studebaker "outer"  rear quarters are bolted on.

As to not seeing any rear supports for the seat back.  There is a 1 3/4"  .120 DOM back bar running behind the seat. the seat has a 14 inch wide  .1875 (3/16") thick plate bolted from the seat back to the back bar with 3  7/16  grade 8 bolts.  The seat back and sides are also  .250 (1/4") thick alum and it is bolted thru the floor into the frame on each corner with 4   7/16 grade 8 bolts.  You can grab the head rest or the helmet restraint side braces,, and jerk them, shake them and they do not move, but will shake/rock the entire car.  Due to my size they built the seat .250 thick in most places with double hip and rib braces. (most seats are .100 to .125 thick)

Also side support,  on the right side the trans tunnel comes up to keep the seat from going right, on the left you will see an contoured/curved roll bar (1 3/4  .120 DOM)  to keep the seat from moving toward the drivers door.

Also we are adding  tabs from the "B" Pillar and the cage to the head rest (for that extra measure of strength) even though it does not seem to need more bracing.

These may be hard to see, if so go to page 9-12 on my photobucket (the blue link below)





Hope your build goes well,,, make sure you post a diary as well.

Charles
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E/CBFALT, E/CBGALT, E/CGALT, E/CFALT, A/CGALT, C/CGALT, D/CGALT, C/CBGALT, B/CBGALT, C/CFALT
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A/CBFALT, B/CBFALT, C/CBFALT, C/CFALT, C/CGALT,   E/CGALT, E/CFALT

Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Loring 204.109mph

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« Reply #500 on: March 31, 2010, 01:32:04 PM »

GEH458,

Here are a few larger shots that may show more detail.









IMG]http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii43/cajunkid5690/IMG_0743.jpg[/IMG]

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A/CBFALT, B/CBFALT, C/CBFALT, C/CFALT, C/CGALT,   E/CGALT, E/CFALT

Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Loring 204.109mph

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« Reply #501 on: March 31, 2010, 01:38:28 PM »

Looking great brother! Keep it up!
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« Reply #502 on: March 31, 2010, 01:44:02 PM »

Thanks Rob.... will you be at Maxton in April ?

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Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Loring 204.109mph

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« Reply #503 on: April 01, 2010, 09:56:35 AM »

Charles, Is that shoulder bar on the driver side legal for SCTA? I thought it had to go from the main hoop Diagonal down to the front vertical bar. (See fig 1, pg 25, 2010 rule book)
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« Reply #504 on: April 01, 2010, 10:06:30 AM »

Brian,

That bar is not "illegal"   but it may not be "enough"...  There are several reasons for what you call a shoulder bar...

Once my body is off the chassis, I am going to submit pictures of the "entire set up"  The "total cage and containment seat" as a package should be approved.

Thanks for the heads up... I am on it,, and will have a ruleing before the car hits the salt.

Charles
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A/CBFALT, B/CBFALT, C/CBFALT, C/CFALT, C/CGALT,   E/CGALT, E/CFALT

Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Loring 204.109mph

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« Reply #505 on: April 01, 2010, 07:15:03 PM »

Good News.... Studebaker Update !!!!

The Body came off just as we planned...
1.Remove Hood   (4 hood pins)
2.Remove the 1 pc front end   (8 Bolts)
3.Remove Inner Fenders ( 5 bolts each)
4.Remove Rear Bumber (4 bolts)
5.Remove Rear Outer Quarter Panels and Braces ( 7 bolts per side)
6.Remove Seat and Belt Brackets ( 15 Bolts)
7. Remove Dash Panel (4 screws)
8. Undo Steering column
9. Remove Trans Tunnel and Front Floor Panels (32 bolts)
10. Remove Main Body to Chassis Mounting Bolts ( 10 Bolts)

This 10 step process took 2.5 hours today... I am sure once car is complete with wiring and fire systems the entire process could take 4 to 5 hours.

We made the body removable so we can completely clean, lubricate and inspect the car when she returns from the salt or for major changes etc.

My photobucket s uploading slow,,, hope to have pics of the body off later tonight or tomorrow.

This is a BIG MILESTONE  for me and Larry,,, Our design and goal to have quick body removal worked..

Thanks to Paul as he was a big help today... (first time in a long time I had 3 pairs of hand working on the car at once)

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OHIO
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A/CBFALT, B/CBFALT, C/CBFALT, C/CFALT, C/CGALT,   E/CGALT, E/CFALT

Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Loring 204.109mph

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« Reply #506 on: April 01, 2010, 07:48:36 PM »

Charles, you can use detent pins for attachments where you can. It helps a lot but at Bonneville you have a lot of time to do things.As long as they are not for major structural areas. On electrical we use  cannon plugs and terminal strips. ID tags for wires are a good idea as well. Some racers use non di-electric on connections to stop the salt attack. Keep up the good work.
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« Reply #507 on: April 01, 2010, 09:04:29 PM »

Here are a series of pics from today

Rear Tie Down to Chassis




Header / Collector exit thru front fenders


Front Bumper Brace / Tow Eye attachment


Body coming up slowly


Larry raising lift, body coming off fine


Houston "we have main body separation"






Body clear of chassis








Double Back Bar and seat back mounting







Done for the day


Now we start the finsih welding and get ready to paint the body and chassis

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A/CBFALT, B/CBFALT, C/CBFALT, C/CFALT, C/CGALT,   E/CGALT, E/CFALT

Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Loring 204.109mph

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« Reply #508 on: April 01, 2010, 11:23:58 PM »

Earlier, I asked about your seat back brace, and with the fourth to last picture above I can now see what you talked about with your answer to my earlier query.  Good job.

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« Reply #509 on: April 02, 2010, 08:06:52 AM »

Gifford,

You are correct.. that pic shows the main back bar with the 3 mounting bolt areas for the seat, the second bar is where the shoulder belts wrap around. I prefer wrar around vs the bolt on.. wrap gives more surface area and guards against any potential shear at mounting tab area.  What you can't see is the huge mounting plate and braces on the seat that attaches to the bars you see in that pic.

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A/CBFALT, B/CBFALT, C/CBFALT, C/CFALT, C/CGALT,   E/CGALT, E/CFALT

Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Loring 204.109mph

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