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Offline Tom Shannon

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Help Save Johnson Valley And El Mirage!!
« on: January 22, 2009, 11:06:43 PM »
Many of you have heard about the proposed expansion of 29 Palms Marine Base to the South West which would consume Johnson Valley.
Johnson Valley is on the other side of the freeway from El Mirage,and if taken,then there is a real fear those recreationists will over populate El Mirage.
Enclosed is a petition with a Jan 31,2009 deadline. Please forward it to those you feel would like to help.
The Ipetition company asks for donation, just ignore it and X out,after including your name. Thanks in advance, Hopefully us Out of Staters can also help!
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/SaveJohnsonValley-SpecificPlan/index.html
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Re: Help Save Johnson Valley And El Mirage!!
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2009, 10:01:53 AM »
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Re: Help Save Johnson Valley And El Mirage!!
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2009, 12:17:02 PM »
Done!  This also effects off roaders, El Mirage and a large area that has been recreational in the past.
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Re: Help Save Johnson Valley And El Mirage!!
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2009, 12:20:21 PM »
done me too
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Re: Help Save Johnson Valley And El Mirage!!
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2009, 04:13:03 PM »
i also.
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Re: Help Save Johnson Valley And El Mirage!!
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2009, 06:14:22 PM »
Do the Leathnecks really need 422,000 more acres?

http://www.marines.mil/units/hqmc/Pages/USMCsubmitswithdrawalapplicationtoBureauofLandManagement.aspx

Many off road clubs have been on this issue since last March. Who here attended the 2 public meetings?
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Re: Help Save Johnson Valley And El Mirage!!
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2009, 10:14:36 PM »
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Do the Leathnecks really need 422,000 more acres?

The easy answer is no. In the first place, the 422,000 acres of public and private land have been essentially put on hold so that no one else can lay claim to it. The total amount used permanently will be far less than that.

Also no because Alternative 6 in their plans calls for doing nothing and using the existing 29 Palms Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center. I'm going to guess that our screaming will be the determining factor for that choice.

Alternative 1, 4, and 5 calls for about 187,000 acres west (Almost all of the Johnson Valley Off-Highway Vehicle area) and 22,000 acres south. The territory is the same, the training plan is different.
Alternative 2 calls for about 112,000 acres west (1/2 of Johnson Valley) and 22,000 acres south.
Alternative 3 calls for about 22,000 acres south and 224,000 acres east.

The Combat Center at Twentynine Palms already occupies 932 square miles, or 596,000 acres of the southern Mojave Desert. The Combat Center is three-quarters the size of Rhode Island. With the full 422,000 acres it would be larger than Rhode Island.

Marine Expeditionary Brigade training requirements say that the existing base isn't big enough for training. They say 60% of the terrain isn't usable.

Ft. Irwin is 642,000 acres and they say that isn't suitable for their needs.

I though the military was down sizing? :?

Well, it used to be Los Angeles . . . 50 miles north of Fresno now.
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