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« Reply #135 on: June 19, 2009, 08:53:54 AM »

Ron, I think it's the weekend after the 4th. We're out in Colorado sight seeing now, kinda lost track of race stuff. I do know my driving suit got back from Stroud.
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« Reply #136 on: June 19, 2009, 12:43:38 PM »

GH,
Did they have to re-size it after a Winter of bench racing? smiley I noticed that mine shrunk a little since the Winter's" Bud Engineering" sessions. I may have to get out of the shop and do a little road work before August.
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« Reply #137 on: June 19, 2009, 10:35:48 PM »

John,   I have either forgot your answer ot I have forgot to ask..

Are you using a funny car cage within the main structure of the roll cage ?

If so what kind of seat are you going to use >

If not are you going to use a containment type seat (head restraint built in or add on)

Any pics of thr above would be nice,

Are you coming to Maxton next weekend ?

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« Reply #138 on: June 20, 2009, 05:23:23 AM »

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« Reply #139 on: June 22, 2009, 10:24:50 PM »

John --

It looks to me that you've got about 10"  (just up) of rear end travel.  Planning for the Baja 500, too?

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« Reply #140 on: June 23, 2009, 12:03:25 AM »

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« Reply #141 on: June 23, 2009, 12:15:56 AM »

Just looking at the frame clearance above the rear end.  Shocks could be shorter or mounted to allow a straighter frame rail and a flatter floor pan.  More aero -- less work, too.

Your comments about the frame thickness between a 53 and later are only an opinion, too.  There is a difference -- but it's not double.  That would seem to be your opinion, rather than research.

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« Reply #142 on: June 23, 2009, 09:15:46 AM »

Going on memory here, I think I have about 4" clearance between the rear axle housing and the frame rail, I use Art Morrison coil over shocks, they are adjusted pretty far down so the car sits low.
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« Reply #143 on: June 23, 2009, 12:00:06 PM »

Measuring his 1953 C body V8 frame, a friend found .085, which is consistent with a lightly rusted 13 gauge (.089). Frames were generally thicker for Canadian and export cars, usually 11 gauge. The 6-cylinder cars were thought to have 14 gauge frames.
Besides six and V8 differences, the C/K models had increases in the frame thicknesses at a few intervals during their production years of 1953-1964.
Here are the specs from the '59-'64 Shop Manual... if anyone wants to copy them.
Year   Body Frame Thickness
59S   W, F .0747"-14GA
59V   W, F   .0897"-13GA
59S-59V   D   .097"-13GA
59S-59V   J   .1196"-11GA
59S-59V   Y   .1196"-11GA
59S-59V   C*   .0897"-13GA
60S   W, F   .0747"-14GA
60V   W, F   .0897"-13GA
60S-60V   D,P   .0897"-13GA
60S-60V   J, L   .1196"-11GA
60S-60V   Y   .1196"-11GA
60V   C*   .0897"-13GA
61S   W, F   .0747"-14GA
61V   W, F   .0897"-13GA
61S-61V   D,P   .0897"-13GA
61S-61V   J, L   .1196"-11GA
61S-61V   Y   .1196"-11GA
61V   C*   .0897"-13GA
62S   F .0747"-14GA
62S-P, 62V-F   P   .0897"-13GA
62S-62V   K, J, Y, .1196"-11GA
Taxi-Police   .1196"-11GA
63S    .0747"-14GA
63S-P, 63V-P    .1196"-11GA
63S-63V   K,J,Y,L   .1196"-11GA
Taxi-Police   .1196"-11GA
63V   F   .0897"-13GA
64S   F   .0747"-14GA
64S-64V   P   .1196"-11GA
64S-64V   K,J,Y,L   .1196"-11GA
Taxi-Police   .1196"-11GA
64V   F   .0897"-13GA
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« Reply #144 on: June 23, 2009, 12:23:36 PM »

It's my understanding that the 53's started with all the same gauge.  The prototypes allegedly were all 6-cylinders, but when the production cars were on the line, they had great problems with body alignment on the V-8 cars because of the additional weight.  They kept on producing them, because of demand, and later made a running change to a heavier gauge for all.  When, I don't know, but supposedly all the 54's were with the heavier gauge.

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« Reply #145 on: June 23, 2009, 06:11:12 PM »

My car is a 1953  Champion 6 cyl.  it for sure has the thin 14ga  frame... no doubt here,  not opinion, not research, just a simple fact confirmed by a micrometer on the actual frame.

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« Reply #146 on: June 24, 2009, 09:21:54 AM »

Just get rid of those old thin flimsy stock frames and build your own frame from scratch. I used 2" x 4" x 1/4" wall rectangle tubing and filled the last 5' of both frame rails with 1/4" steel plates. Good luck and have fun building.
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« Reply #147 on: June 28, 2009, 05:49:40 AM »

Charles.

Nice work with your in-car camera at Maxton. 

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« Reply #148 on: July 16, 2009, 09:58:16 PM »

John,,,, where are you ?  you dropped off the map man?

Hope all is well.

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« Reply #149 on: July 20, 2009, 08:32:59 AM »

I am relatively new to land speed and take safety very seriously.  I have found the forum to be essential–excellent on many many fronts.  The technical information has been most helpful and highly appreciated to my little build. 
Stan’s comments, however, were most unhelpful.  Stan not only didn’t know what he was talking about by grossly miscalculating and misunderstanding the rear suspension, but he mocked the build.  People's lives are at stake in land speed racing. 
I have no desire to participate in sneering posts or leaving erronous posts standing without a response, hence, I am rolling around what to post.
Recently several folks on the forum involved themselves in very unhelpful arguments to the high detriment of the sport.  I do not want any part of sustained arguing or foolishness about anyone's vehicle nor am I going down the road of cynical emails.  Land speed vehicles come to life by a lot of sweat and the little grey cells, not sneering. 
LSR is a tremendous sport.
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