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Offline trimmers

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Re: Somebody help clarify this
« Reply #60 on: September 07, 2016, 12:35:55 PM »
Thanks - got it.  Now I know the new class breaks.  Next question:  is the FIA going to publish an updated records list, putting the old records properly into their new classes, will they allow the old records to stand until they're eclipsed, or what?? 

For Burkland's car, this is a no-brainer, since the two Donovan engines it uses are well in excess of 8000 cc's when combined.  But what about the other record holders in the old classes 9, 10, and 11, e.g. Speed Demon, which had the records in 9 and 10?  Did FIA retain data on their actual engine sizes?  This information isn't part of the records listed on the website. 

I believe Spirit of Rett (500" Chevy DRCE engine, I think) would now hold the record in A-II-13 at 414.316, even though it just barely exceeds the size limit for A-II-12.   Accordingly Challenger 2 (with its two 500" engines) could set a new record in A-II-13 if Danny can average better than 414.316.  Correct?

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Re: Somebody help clarify this
« Reply #61 on: September 08, 2016, 08:15:29 AM »
As the engine capacity check is part of post attempt technical inspections, the 'size' of each car allocated an FIA  record will be known. (The precise cc of Spirit of Rett will be known, but it is over 8000cc (was 11 now 13), although Charles does hold records with an engine between 5000 and 8000cc).

Fitting in either older records or checking the cc of cars which ran decades ago, may not be so easy. Of course for some of the 'new' intermediate capacity classes cars will not have been built to maximise the cc now allowed, so records may need to be established.

Danny has to go better than an average of 414.316 for the mile and 414.477mph for the kilo to gain two World records before the Challenger 2 is retired.
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« Reply #62 on: September 09, 2016, 01:12:36 PM »
To ulra clear about the kilo error on Teague's 1991 record runs:

There has never been an USA "claim" by anyone involved.

The FIA timed and told Teague his speeds. Most Americans back then could care less about kilo speeds, or metrics for that matter, all that mattered was the speed in the mile in miles-per-hour.

There is no implied, or direct denigration of kilo or metrics, it just didn't matter to Americans.

They also like their beer ice cold.

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« Reply #63 on: September 09, 2016, 03:45:03 PM »
Cold beer?? Sure, I'll have one. :cheers:
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« Reply #64 on: September 09, 2016, 07:53:04 PM »
I heard the reason the British drink warm beer is, that Lucas built refrigerators too.
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« Reply #65 on: September 09, 2016, 09:25:42 PM »
I heard the reason the British drink warm beer is, that Lucas built refrigerators too.



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Re: Somebody help clarify this
« Reply #66 on: September 10, 2016, 01:08:43 PM »
I found that their chilled beer is 58* F. :?

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Re: Somebody help clarify this
« Reply #67 on: September 14, 2016, 09:01:53 AM »
Going back to the current record holders, there is still no sign that the FIA is about to publish the list of revised records taking into account the "new" (for 2016) engine breaks.  This may not matter for the vehicles on the list of current entries for the 2016 Shootout, but it would be good to have some clarity.

FWIW, I offer my best assessment of what the records should be.  Definitely not official.  Probably not all correct.

      Driver                       Vehicle                       Engine size          Class            Km                  Mile
      Rudolf Caracciola       Mercedes Benz W25    3.992 litre            A-I-9      197.347 mph   196.775 mph
      George Poteet           Speed Demon             4.9 litre               A-I-10     363.847 mph   363.673 mph
      George Poteet           Speed Demon             6.03 litre             A-I-11     439.562 mph   439.024 mph
      Al Teague                 Spirit of 76                 7.7 litre?              A-I-12     406.321 mph   405.862 mph
      Tom Burkland           Burklands’ 411            14.8 litre             A-I-13     416.561 mph   415.896 mph

      ??                             ??                              3-4 litre              A-II-9      ?? mph             ?? mph   
      Mike Nish                  Nish Royal Purple        4.9 litre              A-II-10     285.359 mph   285.306 mph
      Richard Thomason     Danny Boy                  6.1 litre              A-II-11     340.047 mph   340.364 mph
      Charles Nearburg       Spirit of Rett               7.9 litre             A-II-12      366.590 mph   366.374 mph
      Charles Nearburg       Spirit of Rett               8.6 litre             A-II-13      414.477 mph   414.316 mph

Class 9 is the most difficult to work out.  There appear to have been very few records set with an engine size specifically in the 3-4 litre range.

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Re: Somebody help clarify this
« Reply #68 on: September 14, 2016, 09:36:06 AM »
You left me out??????. :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
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Re: Somebody help clarify this
« Reply #69 on: September 14, 2016, 12:15:15 PM »
You left me out??????. :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Thanks Dicky. :cry:

Perhaps the FIA has lost your paperwork?  :lol:

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Re: Somebody help clarify this
« Reply #70 on: September 14, 2016, 03:30:26 PM »
You left me out??????. :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Thanks Dicky. :cry:

Perhaps the FIA has lost your paperwork?  :lol:


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Re: Somebody help clarify this
« Reply #71 on: September 14, 2016, 05:05:22 PM »
Trickey, you have been busy and I feel sure yours will be the best effort on sorting vehicles into capacity classes.

I do not know if all of the entries on Tricky's list are correct, but hopefully a check by US racers or historians will confirm if:-

in A.I.9 either the Herda-Knapp team in 1965 or the Hoffman Markley team in 1992 used a sub 4 litre capacity 'E' motor, or Poteet & Main used an over 3 litre 'F' Motor.

in A.II.9 the record may be 'open', although there is curious 'blank' entry for mile and kilo records in the FIA list at 231mph/229mph.

[It would be good to retain a European holder of just one of the ten records but I have a feeling the US racers may have taken A.I.9 as well].
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Re: Somebody help clarify this
« Reply #72 on: September 14, 2016, 06:00:33 PM »
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in A.II.9 the record may be 'open', although there is curious 'blank' entry for mile and kilo records in the FIA list at 231mph/229mph.

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I have a note that when these records were broken in 2010 (by Mike Nish), PorkPie attributed them to Hoffman-Markley, but that doesn't explain the blanks in the FIA list.

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« Reply #73 on: September 14, 2016, 08:39:16 PM »
I looked up "misnomer" --  I guess they used this thread as an example.
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« Reply #74 on: September 15, 2016, 05:24:10 AM »
I looked up "misnomer" --  I guess they used this thread as an example.


Well it all started with a general question on clearing up who were the fast guys (and girls) and then at #11 I took it to the particular clarification of a 425mph speed. Now that the FIA has sorted the Teague/Burkland speed records, there is still lack of clarity with the FIA record holders in the 'new' capacity classes.

So I believe the heading still stands and answers are needed for a couple of classes. I have suggested names based on those who have set SCTA/BNI records and have entries in the FIA A-I or A-II category and group.

Perhaps the misnomer extends to the few entries which talked about 'cold beer'?
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