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Re: Turbo plenum
« Reply #90 on: October 11, 2008, 08:00:38 PM »
BOV?

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Re: Turbo plenum
« Reply #91 on: October 11, 2008, 08:02:11 PM »
BOV?

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Blow Off Valve to release the boost when the throttle is closed and to avoid damage to the compressor side of the turbo.

Dan it was great working with you at the special meet and also with the rest of the guys.  Hope to do it again,

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Re: Turbo plenum
« Reply #92 on: October 11, 2008, 09:19:30 PM »
some VERY successful folks have run that motor....near...at...and above 30 lbs boost
with a air to air........and done quite well........

jonny.........may the force be with you.....
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Re: Turbo plenum
« Reply #93 on: October 11, 2008, 09:30:04 PM »
no nutz you havent pissed me off...i just think its funny when people go to the extreme side of things...
when i was road racing 50cc bikes i asked vesco for advise, he told me to put a 32mm carb on it....i pissed my pants laughing cuz the motor only had a 30mm bore....oh i won the nmra championship that year ('89)..... extreme can work... its just hilarious watching it happen  :-D
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Re: Turbo plenum
« Reply #94 on: October 11, 2008, 09:40:40 PM »
Kent........you competing.....in the 50cc class..........hmm.......

hell....32 mm carb.......that was being conservative....with that much traction.....

now im getting to understand ......why you went into the fairing business.....

Kent....love ya man..... :-) :-D

and that 50 cc race.....remember these are your words......

""extreme can work... its just hilarious watching it happen"" 

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Re: Turbo plenum
« Reply #95 on: October 11, 2008, 09:52:29 PM »
yep 80lbs ago..... its harder to make a slow bike go fast then it is to make a fast bike go fast....
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Re: Turbo plenum
« Reply #96 on: October 17, 2008, 12:32:34 PM »


Almost done, have to turn the sides as well and drill and tap the fuel rail hold downs.

Based on advice here I added a "center post" inside the box. It is a .75 bar that ties the bottom and top section together.


Weighs allot more than I thought it would.
 
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Re: Turbo plenum
« Reply #97 on: October 17, 2008, 01:56:40 PM »
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Re: Turbo plenum
« Reply #98 on: October 17, 2008, 06:28:42 PM »
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Given that most plenums are just boxes (not much directional flow aids, blah), isn't it easier to just make a shallow box with a flat (gasketed) top and use a large number of through-bolts passing top to bottom (obviously, a cube will have the sides/ends under high stress as well)? The obstruction of an 8mm screw body is pretty small, and you can locate them away from a direct line to the port entries?

I had given the though of making a bolt on top....would of made things easier to have the bolts pass through but its too late now, its all welded up and sealed.

No chances of loosing a bolt, no chances of blowing a gasket....no chances of ever getting inside of the plenum if there was some reason I needed too! (like wanting to add a bung or something!)

I hope it was the right thing to do.

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Re: Turbo plenum
« Reply #99 on: October 17, 2008, 06:30:37 PM »
Question:

Should the boost guage and wastegate ports go into the plenum?
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Re: Turbo plenum
« Reply #100 on: October 17, 2008, 09:45:45 PM »
Boost only gauge can , boost/ vac would be better on the throttlebody ports
Wastegate i prefer on the plenum, many bring it from the turbo or up pipe.

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Re: Turbo plenum
« Reply #101 on: October 18, 2008, 01:52:51 AM »
Looks cool... :cheers:

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Re: Turbo plenum
« Reply #102 on: October 18, 2008, 04:16:16 AM »
my bolt on cover is more for fishing out bits of piston :)

A question for you, are the main injectors on the engine, or plenum side of the butterfly?  I'm thinking about whether you need one or two fuel pressure regulators/fuel systems.

What's the strategy for switching in the second injectors, do they run all the time, at certain boost, certain throttle angle, rpm, or once the main injectors reach a certain duty.  Just interested really.

With the EFI, if you're using MAP mapping you want to use pressure between throttle and engine.  With MAP and TPS you may want to use the plenum pressure.

For the fuel pressure your reference should be to where ever the injector sprays into (to maintain a constant fuel pressure across the injector).

You'll want your wastegate and boost controller to be from the plenum (well, turbo side of the throttle anyway), that way when you close the throttle the boost at the engine will drop.

If you fit a BOV the ref pipe goes between the throttle and engine.

Your boost gauge is probably more sensible between throttle and engine, but it's not that important either way, it just depends what you want to see.  I like to see what the engine is seeing.

Hopefully that makes some sense, it may even spark up some discussion :)

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Re: Turbo plenum
« Reply #103 on: October 18, 2008, 02:25:00 PM »



In the top pic you will see the Ack in an early build stage.

I noticed that in the lower pic (some time after) they integrated a backfire valve to their plenums.

Is this something I should also consider doing?
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Re: Turbo plenum
« Reply #104 on: October 18, 2008, 02:48:05 PM »
hutz
thats another feature of a BOV..... my turbo plenums all unbolt.... as fandango said its very handy to clean the crap out of it.....  :-D
kent