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Offline Sam Green

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Re: need help understanding classes
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2008, 05:10:01 PM »
If ECTA is the same as SCTA the swingarm will put you in A. 10% extended wheelbase is the limit for M. I sure your 125 didnt have over about a 55 inch wheelbase.

Fred, the stock wheelbase is 1,260mm. I am now at 1,430mm, well over 10%.

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Re: need help understanding classes
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2008, 06:34:49 AM »
Sam
Your big bore RS125 would run in the 175/2 engine classes.  Notice the /2 after the 175.  Unlike the SCTA, at Maxton the ECTA bikes up to about 1000cc have separate engine classes for 2 stroke ( /2 ) and four stroke ( /4 ). 


Yep. The full class would be APS-F 175cc/2 if it has a fairing, A-F 175cc/2 is it has no fairing.

The A is because it is a GP bike. SCTA, and I assume ECTA, makes "works" or GP bikes run as A's, not M's.
That is my understanding as an inspector at El Mirage & Bonneville.

Matt
With the nitrous would it be in the Blown fuel class?  Making it APS BF-175/2.
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Re: need help understanding classes
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2008, 07:57:59 AM »
Nope -
Nitrous is fuel class.

Turbo or blower is blown.
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Re: need help understanding classes
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2008, 05:03:33 PM »
Thanks, I was not clear on that. I cant wait to see this bike of Sam's run. I looks like a daemon on wheels.
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Re: need help understanding classes
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2008, 09:02:58 AM »
As a reference, the bonneville record in the 175cc classes are as follows:

APS-F Belen Wagner Honda ' 02 132.691  (with fairings, with nitrous)

A-F Belen Wagner Honda ' 02 120.622 (without farings, with nitrous)

APS-G Belen Wagner Honda ' 02 133.145 (with fairings, without nitrous)

A-G Darold Cummings Honda 8/03 125.220 (without fairings, without nitrous)

Hopefully, this can help establish a target range, and maybe bring you out to the salt after Maxton :)



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Re: need help understanding classes
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2008, 09:48:50 AM »
Stainless Two,

Looking at your signature of your last post, that Two Club hat sure does make you look better, without it you were pretty Fugly.

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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2008, 04:21:56 PM »
As a reference, the bonneville record in the 175cc classes are as follows:

APS-F Belen Wagner Honda ' 02 132.691  (with fairings, with nitrous)

A-F Belen Wagner Honda ' 02 120.622 (without farings, with nitrous)

APS-G Belen Wagner Honda ' 02 133.145 (with fairings, without nitrous)

A-G Darold Cummings Honda 8/03 125.220 (without fairings, without nitrous)

Hopefully, this can help establish a target range, and maybe bring you out to the salt after Maxton :)





Thanks for all the replies guys but those speeds are well out of my reach...maybe if I cut off my arms and legs and rig up a thought control system :-D :-D :-D I think my 170lbs will keep Belans records safe for some time.
I'm hoping to get over in October as a spectator and hope to be able to bring my bike over next year when I have the nitrous set up working properly.
Just a thought, what's the altitude at Maxton ?

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Re: need help understanding classes
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2008, 10:53:31 PM »
Altitude? I should know that as I lived in that area 28 years ago ?? Hmm not certain but my best guess would be around 300 to 500 feet above sea level.

Now if you had asked about Attitude, I would say AWESOME and SKY HIGH,,,  the ECTA folks  are Great, come on down and visit in October, heck bring your bike even if the juice is not working, take a few passes, get hooked,,, it's great...

We Built a car from scratch and have run it at only one meet, I am so pumped, I am starting on another car....Plan to Race the  #806 Car in Sept and Oct and then take her motor out and put in the new car #1806 car for next year (if we finish in time for the 2009 season here and out west.)
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Re: need help understanding classes
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2008, 11:15:56 PM »
Hi Cajun, I can't afford to bring the bike over on this visit, and in respect of getting hooked, I've been land racing for 43 years :-D :-D :-D
It sure dose get you pumped when a new project starts showing promice. I'll drink to that :cheers:

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Re: need help understanding classes
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2008, 11:19:45 PM »
Sam, I'll be at Maxton this month and Oct.  Look me up, we will have that drink after the car is tucked in for the night.

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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2008, 11:50:24 PM »
Sam, I'll be at Maxton this month and Oct.  Look me up, we will have that drink after the car is tucked in for the night.

Charles

Sounds good to me. 8-)

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« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2008, 06:54:41 AM »
Hmm not certain but my best guess would be around 300 to 500 feet above sea level.

For reference, the Maxton course is between 206-210 feet; the "high spots" are just past the start, just before halfway and in the shutdown. 
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Re: need help understanding classes
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2008, 09:21:05 AM »
Bret K, I understand you know that wild and crazy Tex Cooper. I used to drag race at Indy with him, he's a great guy. A few years ago, I was strapped in the car ready for a pass on the long course at Bonneville, when up drives Tex in a rental. I have been trying to get him changed over to LSR, without any sucess.

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« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2008, 09:29:51 PM »
Irrespective of class, I'm going to be at Maxton in October although just as a spectator, can't afford to ship the bike over this year. If I don't find me a ride, I'll be willing to be a pit bitch for anyone needing help.

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« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2008, 08:51:42 PM »
Hmm not certain but my best guess would be around 300 to 500 feet above sea level.

For reference, the Maxton course is between 206-210 feet; the "high spots" are just past the start, just before halfway and in the shutdown. 

Sounds like a bumpy ride :-D :-D :-D :-D  Thanks for that Bret.

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