Propster is illegal, Why?

[Ratliff]

Jake

Do keep joining in this forum because only by taking part will the full story be told by those who respond to a posting.  As you have read, there is always a lot of support for individuals who are trying to go fast with whatever vehicle they have.  Support that often is never publicised. 

Instead of posting historical stories, Franklin should have lobbied the FIA in Paris (through ACCUS and its member clubs) for a class for the 'propster'.  Why?, because there can be divisions within the non wheel driven category (C).  Already we have jet turbine and rocket, so why not internal combustion and a prop?

Is it difficult? - yes it will be - but having worked on getting a non wheel driven two wheeled streamliner class into the FIM rule book it can be a rewarding years work.  We had an advantage that our national governing body had seen that such a vehicle built by Richard could work and they supported the whole effort at an International level. 

Malcolm UK     

FIA Category C already has language dividing the thrust-driven category into different classes based on method of propulsion.

There were prop rods before there was an SCTA.

[Ratliff]

Don't worry Jake, I think FR was banned from this site a few weeks ago.
Another reason why they wouldn't let him run it for a Guiness record is that there are almost 500 legitimate class built cars that came to race. If they had to shut the course down so he could set his Guiness record, that would possibly deny someone else from setting a record in a legitimate SCTA-BNI class. Maybe later in the week after several teams left and the lines are shorter. But do you think FR would want to sit around waiting for his shot all week or do you think he would wind up causing a scene and be escorted from the event?
Also, why would the SCTA want to use their insurance to santion a Guiness world record? The bottom line is that he built a car which does not fit into any recognized landspeed racing class and built a vehicle that does not conform to published saftey minimums. If he had not upset the powers that be in the various racing organizations with his abuse and had followed set guidelines for car construction, he might have had a shot at getting a class to run his car for a recognized record. Instead, the end result was what happened on the old Hot Rod board and here, again, just a few weeks ago. Banishment.
By the way, don't for a second think he is not reading these posts.

Until the idea was finally swept aside in 1981, the olympics were governed under a myth of amateurism created by the founders of the modern olympic movement for the sole purpose of keeping rich elites from having to associate with the common working man. I cannot see how the idea of keeping thrust-driven cars out of SCTA racing is any more fair or sensible than the myth which was used for so many years in the olympics to keep the ruling elites from being revealed as second best.

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
 
A racing sanctioning organization is a government. They should serve racers. Racers should not serve them.

Attached are photos of a prop-driven railcar that in 1931 went 140 mph. This may still be the fastest speed ever achieved on wheels with prop drive.

[AJR192]

See, I told ya he was reading.............

[John Noonan]

Ratcliff,

Firt let me state I know Bill Furr (and his son Armon as well)  I new Elmer Trett (and flew out to his funeral in GA) and I know Korry Hogan as well,  Korry did not get blown off the bike, the wire came off of the magneto and arced to the chassis, the bike runs (like most fuel bikes) a Billet throttle/grip and shocked Korry so bad that he "jumped off of the bike, he did not get blown off..for your information he hurt his wrist and the bike motored down the right side wall and as it did it was scraping the brake lever and the bike never fell down..less than five hundred dollars in damage..

Elmer did not get blow of the bike either...I will not go in to detail here however he "passed out" and slid in to the old return road (no longer the same entry angle) and he died the day after Blain Johnson crashed and hit the same area with similar results...

Please post facts and not your "thoughts"

JON W CLOSE the F'NN DOOR PLEASE!!!

[Malcolm UK]

So if the "Propster" vehicle can be entered in Category C of the FIA why haven't you set a record in that class? 

Calling on the SCTA to change their 'wheel drive' ruling for entries at their meetings does not further your caise at all - except to get many upset. 

And why do we always seem to diverge to a thread on safety issues? 

It does not matter how many times that you say it, I would not expect to see many 'back pack' personal chutes on open bike riders!  And the SCTA may look foolish mandating such devices if the next rider off suffers fatal or near fatal spinal or base of neck injuries because of such a device.

Malcolm (a non bike rider) UK

[Ratliff]

So if the "Propster" vehicle can be entered in Category C of the FIA why haven't you set a record in that class? 

Calling on the SCTA to change their 'wheel drive' ruling for entries at their meetings does not further your caise at all - except to get many upset. 

And why do we always seem to diverge to a thread on safety issues? 

It does not matter how many times that you say it, I would not expect to see many 'back pack' personal chutes on open bike riders!  And the SCTA may look foolish mandating such devices if the next rider off suffers fatal or near fatal spinal or base of neck injuries because of such a device.

Malcolm (a non bike rider) UK

For decades the idea of professionals is another idea that would've upset many running people running a sport. People like that no longer run the olympics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vT5MSWi9GU

Early in this video (Waco, 1989) is good footage of deployment of an aerodynamic decelerator on a drag boat driver.

Rider drag chutes have a long history in drag boats and have saved many drivers from injury. It is foolish to argue they're experimental by saying "the SCTA may look foolish mandating such devices if the next rider off suffers fatal or near fatal spinal or base of neck injuries because of such a device."

http://dragboatracing.com/Community/Forums/tabid/54/view/topics/forumid/6/Default.aspx
 
I've been looking at motorsports websites for over ten years and up until now have never ever seen a message board with a section devoted to safety, let alone an active ongoing public discussion by pro level racers about safety issues and innovations.
 
Perhaps this has something to do with these racers often observing or being in crashes on an epic level of violence not often seen in other forms of motorsports.

http://dragracingonline.com/burksblast/x_8-1.html
 
http://www.draglist.com/stories/SOD%20Dec%202001/SOD-121201.htm
 
According to Jeff Burk (see above link), the Darrell Russell law suit cost NHRA millions of dollars. Three years before Darrell Russell got killed, I gave free advice to NHRA that would've saved them millions of dollars.

The NHRA would've been called foolish if in 1999 or 2000 they had begun mandating full titanium rollcage shields.

[Ratliff]

Ratcliff,

Firt let me state I know Bill Furr (and his son Armon as well)  I new Elmer Trett (and flew out to his funeral in GA) and I know Korry Hogan as well,  Korry did not get blown off the bike, the wire came off of the magneto and arced to the chassis, the bike runs (like most fuel bikes) a Billet throttle/grip and shocked Korry so bad that he "jumped off of the bike, he did not get blown off..for your information he hurt his wrist and the bike motored down the right side wall and as it did it was scraping the brake lever and the bike never fell down..less than five hundred dollars in damage..

Elmer did not get blow of the bike either...I will not go in to detail here however he "passed out" and slid in to the old return road (no longer the same entry angle) and he died the day after Blain Johnson crashed and hit the same area with similar results...

Please post facts and not your "thoughts"

JON W CLOSE the F'NN DOOR PLEASE!!!

Funny how after all the crap I got from so-called real racers when a couple of months ago I again brought up rider drag chutes, not a single one of these "experts" saw an incident like Jason McVicar's coming.

"A wise man expects the unexpected."

People can watch these videos and judge for themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeRXI0XRNaI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USwwuonAKpY

[AJR192]

Franklin, why do you even care? The people you are supposedly trying to save you don't even like. They HATE you. Why bother? Why keep trying? They don't care what you have to say. They don't want to hear it. Spend all this free time you seem to have researching the bowels of the internt for useless ideas doing something constructive with your life. I do not see why you even bothered to come back here. You do not seem to understand that no one wants to read posts about things like rocket dragsters and airplanes and boats and propsters and rider parachutes and the olympics. How many times have you been banned from this website? How many times have you been banned from all the websites you have registered on? I have seen soe of your posts on other websites and they all have to remind you to keep your posts on topic. I have seen a few warn you that banishment loomed if you didn't.
You really should start your own website. Then you could post your diatribe to your hearts contentment. It would be in the best interest of all.

[Ratliff]

Franklin, why do you even care? The people you are supposedly trying to save you don't even like. They HATE you. Why bother? Why keep trying? They don't care what you have to say. They don't want to hear it. Spend all this free time you seem to have researching the bowels of the internt for useless ideas doing something constructive with your life. I do not see why you even bothered to come back here. You do not seem to understand that no one wants to read posts about things like rocket dragsters and airplanes and boats and propsters and rider parachutes and the olympics. How many times have you been banned from this website? How many times have you been banned from all the websites you have registered on? I have seen soe of your posts on other websites and they all have to remind you to keep your posts on topic. I have seen a few warn you that banishment loomed if you didn't.
You really should start your own website. Then you could post your diatribe to your hearts contentment. It would be in the best interest of all.

They weren't reading about the olympics. They were reading about how a small clique controlled many sports for decades by creating a myth with no basis in history or reality, but which was repeated so often people thought it must be true instead of realizing it was just a scam intended solely to serve the narrow interests of that clique.

Until the idea was finally swept aside in 1981, the olympics were governed under a myth of amateurism created by the founders of the modern olympic movement for the sole purpose of keeping rich elites from having to associate with the common working man who in a fair open competition would kick their pampered ass. The myth of amateurism kept out people who did not have the free time or money to compete in the olympics without getting paid.

I cannot see how the idea of keeping thrust-driven cars out of SCTA racing is any more fair or sensible than the myth which was used for so many years in the olympics to keep the ruling elites from being revealed as second best.

[AJR192]

Because they don't want to deal with you. You have pissed off so many people in positions to help you that YOU have ruined your chances of ever getting a prop driven class established. You caused your own problem. If you were in their shoes, would you honestly want to deal with you? Would you like them bombarding you with a bunch of unwanted, unneeded, time wasting e-mails and posts on websites you frequent? You are delusional if you think you are the victim in this. You created this monster so now you have to deal with the consequences. This is all your fault..............................

[Ratliff]

Because they don't want to deal with you. You have doged off so many people in positions to help you that YOU have ruined your chances of ever getting a prop driven class established. You caused your own problem. If you were in their shoes, would you honestly want to deal with you? Would you like them bombarding you with a bunch of unwanted, unneeded, time wasting e-mails and posts on websites you frequent? You are delusional if you think you are the victim in this. You created this monster so now you have to deal with the consequences. This is all your fault..............................

Dealing with me simply requires an open mind, a proactive view of the future, and the ability to construct logical arguments. Do you want people who don't have these qualities running any sport, let alone one where the whole basis for the sport is people spending a considerable portion of their personal fortunes at risk of their own lives?

http://dragracingonline.com/burksblast/x_8-1.html
 
http://www.draglist.com/stories/SOD%20Dec%202001/SOD-121201.htm
 
According to Jeff Burk (see above link), the Darrell Russell law suit cost NHRA millions of dollars. Three years before Darrell Russell got killed, I gave free advice to NHRA that would've saved them millions of dollars.

(Jeff Burk) "...the NHRA, Goodyear Tire, and others took a big financial hit when the Darrell Russell lawsuit was settled."

[dwarner]

"I've been looking at motorsports websites for over ten years..."

And have yet to put a wheel on a race track. I think you have made your point.

DW

[smitty2]

I have problems with Raccoons... Wife says I'm not allowed to shoot them, but I have found that if I hit them with water balloons mixed with mouthwash it will drive them off... Not only are they "Minty Fresh" they are a lot easier for the Coyotes to track down... My back deck smells like Scope, but the neighbors prefer that to my Bar-B-Q.
 I know this has nothing to do with Land Speed Racing, but not much on this thread does... I just thought maybe... Are there Coyotes in Florida?

 Smitty

[Ratliff]

I have problems with Raccoons... Wife says I'm not allowed to shoot them, but I have found that if I hit them with water balloons mixed with mouthwash it will drive them off... Not only are they "Minty Fresh" they are a lot easier for the Coyotes to track down... My back deck smells like Scope, but the neighbors prefer that to my Bar-B-Q.
 I know this has nothing to do with Land Speed Racing, but not much on this thread does... I just thought maybe... Are there Coyotes in Florida?

 Smitty

Not exactly racing related, but an excellent example of how an open mind, a proactive view of the future, and the ability to construct logical arguments can be used to create and apply innovative solutions to old problems. And, yes, there are coyotes in Florida.

[dwarner]

Smitty 2 has a new BFF.

DW