Landracing Forum Home
October 19, 2018, 06:26:40 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
News:
BACK TO LANDRACING.COM HOMEPAGE
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  


(Note: Donations are not tax deductible)







Live Audio Streaming and Archives of Past Events
Next Live Event: TBD
Pages: 1 ... 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 [466] 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 ... 499   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Milwaukee Midget  (Read 1648122 times)
0 Members and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.
fordboy628
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Location: Koozebane
Posts: 2151


GONE FISHIN' . . .




Ignore
« Reply #6975 on: April 02, 2018, 03:34:27 AM »


FB's buddy, Mike Hart, races a Spridget in Vintage.  He came up with a really cool driveshaft tunnel, which I'm in the process of replicating . . .


Small correction, Mike used to race a Spridget, now he races the "Turdner".   Powered by Ford Vs BLMC

 cheers

Smaller correction -

The options are "BL" or "BMC"   wink

 cheers  cheers  cheers

Three cheers - it's a holiday . . .


I was just trying to balance   F-O-R-D    with     B-L-M-C

Kinda yin and yang . . . . . . .   Even though, EVERYBODY knows the small Fords are "better" . . . . . .     wink


British
Leyland


British
Motors
Corporation


British
Leyland
Motor
Corporation


Any real Brits want to weigh in on this?

 cheers  cheers  cheers  cheers  cheers      Dead Horse  Dead Horse  Dead Horse
Fullhouseofemojiboy
Logged

I used to be a people person.  But people changed that relationship.

"There is nothing permanent except change."    Heraclitus

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."     Albert Einstein
Milwaukee Midget
Global Moderator
Hero Member
***
Offline Offline

Age: 58
Location: Beerhaven, Wisconsin
Posts: 6415


Former Bonneville I/GT record holder - 122.539 mph


WWW
« Reply #6976 on: April 02, 2018, 10:56:44 PM »

Those were dark days, undeserving of alliteration.

As bad as the Fiat X1/9 was, the best Leyland could counter with was the TR7?

I'll agree - a properly set up 2.0 Cortina would outrun and outcorner either.

For that matter, for less money, a little time, some sweat equity and a Racer Walsh catalog, the 2.0 Pinto or first gen Fiesta would be a serious threat.










Logged

"Problems are almost always a sign of progress."  Harold Bettes
Well, I guess we're making a LOT of progress . . .  rolleyes

We are NOT rebuilding . . . We are reloading.

GOD SAVE MG - The Queen can take care of herself!
fordboy628
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Location: Koozebane
Posts: 2151


GONE FISHIN' . . .




Ignore
« Reply #6977 on: April 03, 2018, 05:50:24 AM »


Those were dark days, undeserving of alliteration.

As bad as the Fiat X1/9 was, the best Leyland could counter with was the TR7?

I'll agree - a properly set up 2.0 Cortina would outrun and outcorner either.

For that matter, for less money, a little time, some sweat equity and a Racer Walsh catalog, the 2.0 Pinto or first gen Fiesta would be a serious threat.


Too true . . . .

If you look at the competition results between the manufacturer's supported teams during the "gestation period", say 1958 to 1968, Ford went from "nowhere" with a new, unproven engine design.    The new "oversquare" design, bucked the "traditional" British designs, tractor engines really, designed around the UK "Road Use Tax".    That regressive tax was based on: the bore diameter of the engine.   That hampered the development of road car engines based off the knowledge gained from the successful "warbird" engine designs of WWII.

But the rising fortunes of Ford Competition revolved around some other people.   To wit:

A/    Colin Chapman
2/    Walter Hayes
d/    Keith Duckworth
z/    Mike Costin
zz/   The dozens of "unsung" production people at Cosworth Engineering

This is formidable, nay, World Class, competition.    Leyland's dependence on spreading their development among a variety of "tuners" fell short, as it would inevitably, given the handicaps of the engine's basic design.

So, once again, "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."



Duckworth's Golden Rules of normally aspirated racing engine design are:

B/    Sums, ALWAYS add up.    (You had better be correct!)
3/    Inlet valve area, is . . . . .  everything.
e/    When in "uncharted territory", trust your own engineering skills.    (But this method only works if you are "smart" . . . .)


In spite of the pool of very talented BMC tuners, the result fell short against the genius of the "New Racing Engine Order" . . . . . . .


 cheers  cheers  cheers
Historyboy
Logged

I used to be a people person.  But people changed that relationship.

"There is nothing permanent except change."    Heraclitus

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."     Albert Einstein
fordboy628
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Location: Koozebane
Posts: 2151


GONE FISHIN' . . .




Ignore
« Reply #6978 on: April 03, 2018, 05:57:09 AM »

Now we return to our regular programming . . . . . . .

midget,

No news yesterday from either Diamond or Holley.

Expecting arrival sometime this week.    Hopefully, in time for your Birthday!


58 eh?

Meh . . . NOT a prime number . . . . . . . .

Oh, and a friendly reminder, somewhat ahead of time:   Sexagenarian   doesn't mean what you think it does . . . . . sad  undecided

 Dead Horse  Dead Horse  Dead Horse
Beenthereboy
Logged

I used to be a people person.  But people changed that relationship.

"There is nothing permanent except change."    Heraclitus

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."     Albert Einstein
Milwaukee Midget
Global Moderator
Hero Member
***
Offline Offline

Age: 58
Location: Beerhaven, Wisconsin
Posts: 6415


Former Bonneville I/GT record holder - 122.539 mph


WWW
« Reply #6979 on: April 03, 2018, 08:31:09 AM »

No sweat - I'll drop by C&S this week and see if the rods have made it through customs.

Got one of the side panels for the driveshaft tunnel whittled out last night.

Accurate measurements, templates, a jigsaw, a tube of Firestop and some patience.

"Little by little, we fashion and whittle, and when the project is done,

We'll trailer it out to Western Utah, open it up, and run."

Logged

"Problems are almost always a sign of progress."  Harold Bettes
Well, I guess we're making a LOT of progress . . .  rolleyes

We are NOT rebuilding . . . We are reloading.

GOD SAVE MG - The Queen can take care of herself!
Lemming Motors
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 81





Ignore
« Reply #6980 on: April 03, 2018, 09:20:05 AM »

Mr Midget

I am travelling to the US on business in May - a few days near LA and then New Jersey - do you need any suitcase sized Spridget bits smuggling from these shores?

I am UK based though I grew up in NZ - I had a Mk1 (Morris Garages) Midget in 1976 while still at school - I acquired it with a blown motor by swapping for my Morris Minor 1000.
A friend had a Morrie with a 1200cc Datsun motor and box and telescopics all round - in the late 70's nothing modern came near it; but MoWoG saved pennies by using lever arms on everything - tradition is so important old bean.

The British car industry spent a long time not realising it was dead: ZMC = Zombie Motor Corporation.

Austin + Morris = BMC (incl. Wolesley, MG and Riley and probably many others lost to history).
BMC + Jag = British Motor Holdings + Leyland Motor Corp = BLMC Ltd evolving with nationalisation.
The Phoenix group were ripped off buying Rover - I think they paid 1 for the corpse.
Somewhere along the way BMW got into Land Rover, nicked the tech, made the X3 and dumped Rover again but kept the Mini they developed at the Cowley works (should have named it Bini).
Ford nabbed Jag and Aston for a while but didn't really understand it - did they have Land Rover too - not sure.

And they made some horrendous engine decisions along the way - why make the under developed Triumph Stag V8 from two Dolomite sprints on a common crank (I think) when they had the potentially developable Daimler V8 in house.

Jag and Land Rover are now Indian owned (Tata) - poetic justice for the acquisition of that countries resources by the East India Company - though the popularisation of Indian Pale Ale almost justifies their endeavours.  cheers
Logged

A Bonneville Lakester please barman.
Certainly sir; a lick of salt, a sip of gas and a twist of Lemming. More Lemming sir?
Just a squeeze.

A Squeeze of Lemming it is sir.
manta22
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Age: 79
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 3218


What, me worry?




Ignore
« Reply #6981 on: April 03, 2018, 10:43:58 AM »

MM & Fordboy;

Regarding British Leyland, BMC, etc: here is a great video by Jeremy Clarkson: "Clarkson's Car Years - Who Killed The British Motor Industry?"



Clarkson produced dozens of good videos on a variety of non-automotive subjects. Here is an excellent one about a raid on the St Nazaire drydock in 1942. An incredible commando raid.



Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

Logged

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Milwaukee Midget
Global Moderator
Hero Member
***
Offline Offline

Age: 58
Location: Beerhaven, Wisconsin
Posts: 6415


Former Bonneville I/GT record holder - 122.539 mph


WWW
« Reply #6982 on: April 03, 2018, 10:51:00 PM »

Still one of the sharpest minds on the screen.  Thanks, Neil.

Just looking through the list, it appears that the last British owned auto manufacturers are Morgan, McClaran, TVR, and allegedly, Bristol.

Of the four, only Morgan's annual output might meet a production class requirement for SCTA-BNI.
Logged

"Problems are almost always a sign of progress."  Harold Bettes
Well, I guess we're making a LOT of progress . . .  rolleyes

We are NOT rebuilding . . . We are reloading.

GOD SAVE MG - The Queen can take care of herself!
4-barrel Mike
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Age: 70
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 2892


Any fool can drive a V8




Ignore
« Reply #6983 on: April 03, 2018, 11:45:23 PM »

Mmmmm. TVR!  Had a couple fun rides in a Tuscan (?Griffith?) (289 Ford) in 67-68 in Monterey.  Lot more entertaining than my flathead-V8-powered '48 Jeepster.  cheesy  cheers

Mike
« Last Edit: April 03, 2018, 11:53:23 PM by 4-barrel Mike » Logged

Mike Kelly - PROUD owner of the V4F that powered the #1931 VGC to a 82.803 mph record in 2008!
Hoody
New folks

Offline Offline

Location: In the neighbourhood, right?
Posts: 28




Ignore
« Reply #6984 on: April 04, 2018, 01:22:13 AM »

Still one of the sharpest minds on the screen.  Thanks, Neil.

Just looking through the list, it appears that the last British owned auto manufacturers are Morgan, McClaran, TVR, and allegedly, Bristol.

Of the four, only Morgan's annual output might meet a production class requirement for SCTA-BNI.

TVR was owned by a Russian Iirc? then the company closed, not sure if it was sold?  McClaren is largely owned by a Bharianian consortium and Mansour Ojjeh Iirc? after Ron Dennis was forced out?
Logged
Milwaukee Midget
Global Moderator
Hero Member
***
Offline Offline

Age: 58
Location: Beerhaven, Wisconsin
Posts: 6415


Former Bonneville I/GT record holder - 122.539 mph


WWW
« Reply #6985 on: April 04, 2018, 08:55:20 AM »

TVR was owned by a Russian Iirc? then the company closed, not sure if it was sold?  McClaren is largely owned by a Bharianian consortium and Mansour Ojjeh Iirc? after Ron Dennis was forced out?

Wouldn't be surprised.

So what's left of the backbone of the domestic British automobile industry is a company that restores more cars than it currently creates, and a company that hires more boatwrights than automotive engineers.

Got it.
Logged

"Problems are almost always a sign of progress."  Harold Bettes
Well, I guess we're making a LOT of progress . . .  rolleyes

We are NOT rebuilding . . . We are reloading.

GOD SAVE MG - The Queen can take care of herself!
Hoody
New folks

Offline Offline

Location: In the neighbourhood, right?
Posts: 28




Ignore
« Reply #6986 on: April 04, 2018, 10:31:50 AM »

TVR was owned by a Russian Iirc? then the company closed, not sure if it was sold?  McClaren is largely owned by a Bharianian consortium and Mansour Ojjeh Iirc? after Ron Dennis was forced out?

Wouldn't be surprised.

So what's left of the backbone of the domestic British automobile industry is a company that restores more cars than it currently creates, and a company that hires more boatwrights than automotive engineers.

Got it.


Looks like James Dyson (Of the vacuum cleaner fame) may be about to do a Tesla?  Have been rumour of him getting in to auto production for a while and they now seem to be recruiting. https://jobs.dyson.com/jobs/JobDetail/Talent-Pool-Alan/6510
Logged
forker
New folks

Offline Offline

Location: shakespeare-on-the-wold
Posts: 24




Ignore
« Reply #6987 on: April 05, 2018, 02:11:26 AM »

Yep; Dyson has an automotive arm alongside its' domestic appliance division. New product is on the way; many are working diligently.
Logged
Milwaukee Midget
Global Moderator
Hero Member
***
Offline Offline

Age: 58
Location: Beerhaven, Wisconsin
Posts: 6415


Former Bonneville I/GT record holder - 122.539 mph


WWW
« Reply #6988 on: April 05, 2018, 08:23:43 AM »

As long as the motors don't suck . . .

Rimshot, please . . .

Not too much of a stretch, though.  I wish them better luck than Kelvinator had with Nash.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2018, 08:58:30 AM by Milwaukee Midget » Logged

"Problems are almost always a sign of progress."  Harold Bettes
Well, I guess we're making a LOT of progress . . .  rolleyes

We are NOT rebuilding . . . We are reloading.

GOD SAVE MG - The Queen can take care of herself!
ggl205
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Age: 71
Location: Wichita, Kansas
Posts: 522


G/FL 218.282 since 1995. G/FL record since 1993.




Ignore
« Reply #6989 on: April 05, 2018, 02:27:55 PM »

I wish them better luck than Kelvinator had with Nash.

Now, that really did suck.

John
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 [466] 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 ... 499   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines
Simple Audio Video Embedder
Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!


Google visited last this page September 13, 2018, 09:53:36 PM