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NACA used to feed turbocharger in Honda Hawk.
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Anything left in the library?
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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2008, 09:51:45 PM » |
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Anyone that wants to see a properly designed one just stop by our car. If you think you have a good one, paint it, if it is easy, then it is not working properly... Don't bother with any of the prefab ones, most don't work. Hey Slim, I have the NACA research papers on the duct development, should I post that book here...  I think it is only 40 or 50 pages  |
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MSA Lakester #1000 my fastest mile 245 and change, 84 ci turbobusa motor... but Corey's 233 MPH H/BFL record is still 3MPH faster than mine.
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2008, 10:28:14 PM » |
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Before we get too carried away, here is a quote from page 18 of the original NACA report,
NACA ACR No. 5120;
"Submerged inlets do not appear to have desireable pressure recovery characteristics for use in supplying air to oil coolers, radiators, or carburetors of conventional recirocating engines. "
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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2008, 10:29:55 AM » |
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... Don't bother with any of the prefab ones, most don't work.
Stainless: Why do you say that? Is this opinion? Do we have data? (Please don't read attitude into this, its a question, ok?) OK, I've opened my big mouth, its off to post my "intro" and figure a way to run a test (has anyone tested??) - I think I can get a transparent duct to wool-tuft. Thank you. |
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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2008, 11:18:37 AM » |
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I will jump in here David, according to the NACA report submerged inlets must be located in an area where the flow is attached and the boundary layer is relatively thin. The slope, depth of opening and size must account for this. Putting them way aft on a flat sided vehicle makes them no better than a plain hole.
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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2008, 11:46:22 AM » |
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Well, we have tried the plastic ones, didn't get any more air than with no scoop at all. Installed the one that is on there now, it was a proven performer with a lot of development, beyond the NACA work, by Boeing. The air box we had at that time was instrumented for pressure and showed a steady rise starting about 190 and at 220ish MPH developed almost 1 PSI at WOT. It is on a flat sided car and mounted aft of the center. We have had very good success with it but your luck may vary. Proper design makes the difference. There was a lot of work done after the NACA report by several aircraft companies. The original posts looked like hood type designs. The one we have came from the flat side of an airplane...
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MSA Lakester #1000 my fastest mile 245 and change, 84 ci turbobusa motor... but Corey's 233 MPH H/BFL record is still 3MPH faster than mine.
Builder of Bike 278 1000cc APS-G, Kids Red Hat Record 208.959 (old PS rules)
Other kids A-G record 179.172 Josh O record 182.266
Co-owner of the Amo Steele Streamliner, #1411... still sorting
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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2008, 12:04:10 PM » |
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http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,4033.0.htmlOther examples of how NACA ducts can be applied are shown in the thread on the Alex Tremulis design for Kitty O'Neil. Tremulis proposed using them for engine air inlets on a jet land speed car. NACA ducts were used on the roof of the Lew Arrington rocket Funny Car to supply air that aided chute deployment.
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2008, 12:11:05 PM » |
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Thank you, gentleman, for the info. I appreciate it.
(Stainless, jdincau, and Ratliff).
I understand the boundry must be thin -obviously the duct will work better on the nose than towards the back. good reminder!
I look forward to seeing the duct Stainless has procurred (-2 for spelling?) and how that differs from others.
best to all, keep the rubber side down.
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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2008, 12:15:19 PM » |
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Just to revisit the comment about plastic ducts not working . . .
My assumption is this: the ducts would work if placed in a high pressure area, and would not work in a low pressure area/area of this boundary flow.
Am I still on the right track?
thanks again!
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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2008, 07:46:23 PM » |
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If a NACA Duct was fabricated incorrectly or placed in the wrong location on the vehicle could it pull a vacuum on the air box?
Jim B.
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