Mid- Engine Modified Sports

[manta22]

My B/GMS is still under construction but it's getting there. It is based on a Manta Mirage but modified to increase the chassis strength and stiffness. The front & rear suspension are new fabrications and there will be a stressed panels on the chassis. A full roll cage will be added, of course.

The engine is a Donovan 383 driving a Porsche G50 transaxle turned upside down so that the 5- speeds are forward, not reverse gears.

Everything is currently temporary-- tack welds & Clecos, etc. The chassis is mounted on a dolly in these photos.

[Freud]

Great start, Neil. From the first foto date I think the body is probably fully cured.

FREUD

[manta22]

Yep, I think you're right about that. It helps that since then I've retired and have more time to work on it now in earnest. Things are moving along at a much faster pace now. I'm shooting for the first run in 2009.

[Stainless1]

Nice start, keep those pics coming?  Most people will tell ya it is easy to make a car that runs the twisties go straight, be we all know better.  It is not easy to make any car go WOT and straight.  Good luck with the project, see ya on the salt.

[manta22]

Will do. I have no illusions about how "easy" it is to go in a straght line at high speed! We've all seen some humiliating failures on the salt. I'll try to avoid being one of them but in any case it will be a learning experience for me.

[dwarner]

Neil,

Don't forget to bring the documentation of 50 or more models produced to impound.

DW

[Stainless1]

Currently there are 144 in the Mirage Registry online, that is probably enough to prove 50 produced.  I had the same thought so I looked.  Not enough for GT, but OK for MS. 

Oh yea, Neil's is one of them.  Saw one listed as #217.

[John Noonan]

Can you run this with either an H or G engine for this class?

J

[John Noonan]

Nevermind, I see them in the 07 book..

[Stainless1]

Can you run this with either an H or G engine for this class?

J

all the way down to I, blown, unblown, gas, fuel, seems like unlimited possibilities, I smell another championship brewing.... 

and there is one on Ebay

[Glen]

Neil
Glad to see you on this site, Lot's on good stuff here. Stay tuned.

[manta22]

OK, Dan-- if & when I get to impound!

I have an couple of e- mails saved somewhere that address the legality of this car. Someone in the SCTA investigated it already and found to their satisfaction that there were more than 500 of this model produced. I'll have other documentation as well, of course.

One thing I've wondered about is how cars in MS can run extended wheelbases since the rule book prohibits lengthening the body. "Removal of minor trim & bumpers is allowed as long as the body is not altered in length, width, or contour."

Maybe this question really belongs in the SCTA Rules Forum, though.

[Stainless1]

One thing I've wondered about is how cars in MS can run extended wheelbases since the rule book prohibits lengthening the body. "Removal of minor trim & bumpers is allowed as long as the body is not altered in length, width, or contour."

Maybe this question really belongs in the SCTA Rules Forum, though.

MS can change from the cowl forward.  The body is aft of the cowl, a top chop is allowed there. Notice height is not mentioned.   It is a little hard to follow, but that is basically it, they don't want you to narrow and lengthen the part aft of the cowl, basically building a streamliner marketed as MS.

[manta22]

MS can change from the cowl forward.  The body is aft of the cowl, a top chop is allowed there. Notice height is not mentioned.   It is a little hard to follow, but that is basically it, they don't want you to narrow and lengthen the part aft of the cowl, basically building a streamliner marketed as MS.
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Ah so. To me the "body" refers to the whole car's bodywork: I guess I'll have to learn the nuances of hotrodspeak. 

[manta22]

I've been making a bit of progress on my BG/MS buildup. The R & P is mounted and the steering column is now in place. Here is some detail of how I've cross- bolted my Borgeson and Apex u- joints in the steering (the bolts fit into reamed holes but they're not fully tightened yet). I'll have a steering wheel quick- release on the end of the column tubing.