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Offline manta22

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Re: Mid- Engine Modified Sports
« Reply #330 on: July 06, 2013, 12:44:55 PM »
Wobbly;

I've picked up a little knowledge here and there over the years-- it adds up over time. Some I learned by trial & error but a significant body of knowledge was learned from others... this forum, for example.

Some stuff I learned in school, some in the military (Ordnance direct support for Corporal IIB), and some in an aircraft Airframe & Powerplant course at a local community college. Much of the aircraft stuff can be found in excellent FAA handbooks that can be downloaded free on the internet. I also learned some by subscribing to Machine Design & Design News magazines. Carroll Smith's books were valuable assets on fasteners and plumbing.

Believe it or not, I learned some things by wandering through Tucson aircraft salvage yards (now extinct) and inspecting how the stuff was built. If you keep your eyes and ears open you can learn. Reading is really important.

When I was a kid there was a huge amount or WW II surplus stuff on the market for bargain-basement prices. I bought stuff and then had an opportunity to take it apart and find out what was inside. This prompted a curiosity of how it worked and why it was done that particular way. By following up on those questions, I learned about a wide variety of things.

When I worked for the National Radio Astronomy Observatory in Green Bank, WV I had an opportunity to make use of the odd collection of knowledge that I had built up and working there greatly expanded that collection. As a "Technical Specialist" I was expected to know at least something about almost everything. :) Where else could I have worked with guys who had won Nobel Prizes? It was a great experience-- no money, but a great experience.

In my build diary I try to explain what I've done, how I did it, and what stuff I used. I try to be helpful to someone who may have an interest in learning how to do something similar.

One great fear some have is that they can't do something. This fear is almost always triggered by a lack of experience and knowledge. Both can be overcome. Learn and then try-- we all make mistakes but that should not paralyze us into not trying!

OK, off my soap box and back to the shop....

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

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Re: Mid- Engine Modified Sports
« Reply #331 on: July 06, 2013, 08:54:31 PM »
This afternoon I cut some sheet metal to make stressed panels for the sides of the nose & radiator support structure that I put all those clecos into yesterday. These pieces are two triangular shapes, each with a hole at the front for a bolt or pin to secure the fiberglass body to this mild steel frame.

I'm trying to keep the nose panels from corroding from picking up salt from the air intake to the radiator so I didn't want aluminum for these panels. My radiator is aluminum but it is far easier to replace it than replacing these panels when corrosion finally does it in. I looked at what I had and found a sheet of 0.025" Incoloy A286 that would be large enough to cut these two panels out of. A286 is an iron-based superalloy with nickel and chromium. It has very good corrosion properties and very high strength-- 145,000 psi at room temperature so it should work OK. Why choose this exotic stuff? Because I had some-- no other reason.

Now I have to mark & cut the 3/4" holes for the pins as well as drill a Subaru-load of #30 holes for the Cherrylock A286 rivets. Still lots to do...

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

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Re: Mid- Engine Modified Sports
« Reply #332 on: July 07, 2013, 12:30:56 AM »
Neil, Thank you for all the information and ideas. Your build and craftsmanship are outstanding, I hope to see the car on the salt.

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Re: Mid- Engine Modified Sports
« Reply #333 on: July 07, 2013, 12:55:39 PM »
Thanks, John. I was hoping to bring my unfinished car up to Speed Week to get an inspection of the basic layout but it looks like that wouldn't be worthwhile just yet-- still too much to do.

BTW, I forgot to mention how I cut out those A286 panels. The stuff is really tough so sawing it was out of the question and an abrasive cut-off wheel wasn't practical but my cheap little Harbor Freight plasma cutter worked just fine. I dressed the cut edges on a belt sander using a 3M Cubitron abrasive belt. It is a very good abrasive-- the best that I've ever used. I think 3M has a method of orienting the sharpest edges of the ceramic grains in the direction of the cut. Whatever it is it works great.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

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Re: Mid- Engine Modified Sports
« Reply #334 on: July 07, 2013, 04:17:56 PM »
I think I'm drilling #30 holes in my sleep...I drilled a 2" straight line pattern of #30 holes in the 0.025" A286 panels (32 in each side panel) and then Cleco'ed and match-drilled holes in the steel tube support structure. Drilling the A286 wasn't as bad as I thought. Marking each hole with a center punch kept the drill from skating around and a drop of Cool Tool lubricated the drill point. The key to success is just like drilling stainless steel-- use a slow speed and a heavy feed. If the drill is too fast and you dawdle around, the stuff work hardens fast and then it gets real hard to drill!

Now I have to disassemble it and clean everything with solvent (after de-burring the tube holes) before putting on an epoxy primer and then a polyurethane topcoat. I'll only paint the steel tube structure; the stressed panels need no protection from corrosion.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

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Re: Mid- Engine Modified Sports
« Reply #335 on: July 07, 2013, 06:33:00 PM »
Neil do you think it need MORE holes?

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Re: Mid- Engine Modified Sports
« Reply #336 on: July 07, 2013, 09:34:52 PM »
Maybe one in my head, Freud.  :-D

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Re: Mid- Engine Modified Sports
« Reply #337 on: July 08, 2013, 12:23:34 AM »
Congratulations on a sanitary job.

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Re: Mid- Engine Modified Sports
« Reply #338 on: July 08, 2013, 12:26:47 PM »
Thanks, Freud. I really respect your opinion and all the others on this forum.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

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Re: Mid- Engine Modified Sports
« Reply #339 on: July 09, 2013, 12:24:01 AM »
Try some ACF50 on your aluminum radiator.  My method is to brush or spray it on during fabrication when it can soak into all of the little cracks and crevices.  Then I bolt the part on while it is still wet.  Eventually the part dries and it has a corrosion resistant coating.  You can get the stuff at most airports.

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Re: Mid- Engine Modified Sports
« Reply #340 on: July 09, 2013, 09:30:27 AM »
Thanks for the suggestion-- I'll look for some and try it.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

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Re: Mid- Engine Modified Sports
« Reply #341 on: July 10, 2013, 08:22:16 PM »
I tried some of Eastwood's 2-part epoxy primer in a spray can today. The hardener is contained in a separate space within the can-- you break that seal internally and then shake the can to mix the two parts.

The can's spray nozzle is the best that I've ever used! It doesn't cover much area but for my steel tube subframe it was just enough to coat the whole thing. The biggest disadvantage is its price, $19.99 a can and Eastwood is the lowest price for this stuff. On the other hand, for small jobs it is more convenient that hauling out the stuff to run a spray gun and then cleaning up the gun afterwards.

I'll spray it with a 2-part polyurethane top coat when this primer is fully cured. I'll post pictures then.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

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Re: Mid- Engine Modified Sports
« Reply #342 on: July 11, 2013, 09:22:12 AM »
Neil, this is one of my favorite builds! I can't wait to see it!
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Re: Mid- Engine Modified Sports
« Reply #343 on: July 11, 2013, 12:32:29 PM »
Thanks-- I've been following your build diary as well-- nice job!

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
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Re: Mid- Engine Modified Sports
« Reply #344 on: July 11, 2013, 08:46:02 PM »
Your build is even more impressive knowing your self taught Neil.
I figured you were a LAME or similar with the skills you have.

Hope to meet you and see your car some day.
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