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D Warner can you or someone help me? Class ?
« on: June 05, 2008, 10:24:27 PM »
I am getting confussed with the SCTA and ECTA classes.

Out here in NC I have been told my car will run in E/CGALT  but what class would be the same at Bonneville SCTA and or USFRA ?

The Car
1933 Ford Victoria (2 door sedan)
3" Chop
Fiberglass Body
Hi Boy (no fenders or running boards)
Does have all equipment for street driving out here but Head Lights and Tail Lights are quick disconnect removable.
Does have dash and all guages, has both the glass firewall with a complete .090 metal firewall with 3 coats of Lizard Skin Ceramic Heat Shield applied.
Stock Grill, Stock apprearance, no ground effects etc.
Does have slight engine setback.
Dropped Axel Front. w 4 bar set up
Rear is ladder bars with coilovers and 9" ford with 31 splines and locker.
Car has steel hood top and sides, stock 4 piece with dzus fasteners instead of stock hood handles

Motor
SBC   255 CI V8
1 Carb
Runs on 110/116 Race GAS (Sunoco or ERC)
No power adders (yet !!)

I have built the car to look the part of an old school land racer, Hope I can run her out there.

Charles

ECTA Record Holder Maxton
E/CBFALT, E/CBGALT, E/CGALT, E/CFALT, A/CGALT, C/CGALT, D/CGALT, C/CBGALT, B/CBGALT, C/CFALT
OHIO
B/CGALT, C/CGALT

LTA Record Holder and 200 Club Member
A/CBFALT, B/CBFALT, C/CBFALT, C/CFALT, C/CGALT,   E/CGALT, E/CFALT

Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Loring 204.109mph

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Re: D Warner can you or someone help me? Class ?
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2008, 10:28:36 PM »
I know you want Dan, and i don't blame you. But to me it looks like you have the class nailed. How are you on roll cage and all the other saftey stuff. You know that to run with BNI you will need everything that the 200 mph cars have. All of it. All up to date with the latest cage requirements. Maybe less so for ECTA.

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Re: D Warner can you or someone help me? Class ?
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2008, 10:34:47 PM »
Thanks,  any help is much appreciated,

I have a 1 5/8  .120 DOM cage  (main hoop, halo bar, knee bar, back bar, 2 rear bars, 2 front bars, basic 8 point cage with NO Diagonal door bars, here I am OK to 175mph.. I need to add the swing out door bars and full door net for out there,  Cage is new, every part on car is new, will need fire system for there too. Seat is OK, looks like new 2" head restraint rule may catch me so working on retro fit and chute too!

I think I have a decent handle on the safety stuff but will triple check once there for the USFRA  130 and 150 deals. That way the folks out there can see what I have and let me know what I need for above the USFRA 150 Club stuff.

Just hoping the E/CGALT  was a valid class out there???

ECTA Record Holder Maxton
E/CBFALT, E/CBGALT, E/CGALT, E/CFALT, A/CGALT, C/CGALT, D/CGALT, C/CBGALT, B/CBGALT, C/CFALT
OHIO
B/CGALT, C/CGALT

LTA Record Holder and 200 Club Member
A/CBFALT, B/CBFALT, C/CBFALT, C/CFALT, C/CGALT,   E/CGALT, E/CFALT

Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Loring 204.109mph

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Re: D Warner can you or someone help me? Class ?
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2008, 10:48:32 PM »
It's a good class. Mine is a C/CGAlt. Got good tires, driver air vent, and all that stuff? Lexan or window film is new lately. Welded wheels. It's all in the rule book. Not all in any one place.

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Re: D Warner can you or someone help me? Class ?
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2008, 10:53:58 PM »
I will have fully 360 degree welded wheels by then.  Hmm  Driver Air Vent ?  Not sure what that is or how to apply this? Never seen it in the rules ? Tires, wish I knew what kind to buy for the salt ,  For here at Maxton mile on pavement I have H and Z rated tires that all say are fine. My Windows are all std Safety glass with the film sandwiched in (or that is what It is supposed to be)
ECTA Record Holder Maxton
E/CBFALT, E/CBGALT, E/CGALT, E/CFALT, A/CGALT, C/CGALT, D/CGALT, C/CBGALT, B/CBGALT, C/CFALT
OHIO
B/CGALT, C/CGALT

LTA Record Holder and 200 Club Member
A/CBFALT, B/CBFALT, C/CBFALT, C/CFALT, C/CGALT,   E/CGALT, E/CFALT

Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Loring 204.109mph

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Re: D Warner can you or someone help me? Class ?
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2008, 12:28:44 AM »
3.E Page 30 first paragraph.  " All enclosed drivers compartments" ect.  Don't know what you have My car came with laminated safty glass for the windshield. All the other glass is "Tempered "and requires film. laminated glass is usually marked as such and if you can see the edge it's pretty plain. Fuel shut off. Electric? Catch straps on your ladder bars? Proper fuel tank roll over vent? All little stuff. Nothing you will have trouble with.

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Re: D Warner can you or someone help me? Class ?
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2008, 12:38:15 PM »
Rich,

I think I am ok with most of what you mention. Gas tank has rollover and vent shut off,  fuel pump is mechanical, glass is laminated (I hope, will double check)

The ladder bar straps I must have over looked ?  Not sure what or how to do that?  I assume in case the bolt.clevis at front breaks a device to keep the bar from falling down and digging in and possibly flipping the car, sorta like a driveshaft saftey loop?  Can this be piece of angle iron below it or steel strap or bar stock ?  Or must it be safety cable ?  Not sure ?
I feel dumb for missing that one!!

Charles
ECTA Record Holder Maxton
E/CBFALT, E/CBGALT, E/CGALT, E/CFALT, A/CGALT, C/CGALT, D/CGALT, C/CBGALT, B/CBGALT, C/CFALT
OHIO
B/CGALT, C/CGALT

LTA Record Holder and 200 Club Member
A/CBFALT, B/CBFALT, C/CBFALT, C/CFALT, C/CGALT,   E/CGALT, E/CFALT

Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Loring 204.109mph

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Re: D Warner can you or someone help me? Class ?
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2008, 01:15:29 PM »
Charles,

     Don't have an SCTA book handy, THINK it might be worded a little differently - best to check.  From '08 ECTA book 3.S DRIVE LINES page 27:  "All traction bars and trailing links shall have a metal sling near the front attaching point with a minimum of 1/4 in. diameter".

     Have seen round stock, flat stock, cable, and chain used, anchored in various locations with various methods.

     Keep your eyes open at the June meet, usually a lot of tech tips to "borrow".  Another good reason to arrive Fri if you can, more time to wander the pit while cars tend to be opened up a bit more while being prepped/inspected.


     Hope to see you and your son down there.

                     Ed
     

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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2008, 01:33:47 PM »
Here's where I was asking the same question, with an "approved" solution.

http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,2574.0.html

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Re: D Warner can you or someone help me? Class ?
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2008, 01:43:04 PM »
I'm not to sure about the "mechanical" fuel pump meeting the defination of "stock fuel system" I hope someone who knows will jump in here. For me stock would require you to be running a '34 Ford fuel system with a '34 carb. I don't go to the races to argue with tech inspectiors, if at all possable. I would install a shut off or get something from a SCTA offical that says you don't need one.

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Re: D Warner can you or someone help me? Class ?
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2008, 06:17:02 PM »
I was told that a mechanical pump would not require a fule shut off, but now I forgot who told me that.

With an elec. fuel pump I know a cut off is required..

The thinking is when the engine stops the mech. fuel pump stops !!

I hope I am right becuase I have a mech pump and no shut off ??
ECTA Record Holder Maxton
E/CBFALT, E/CBGALT, E/CGALT, E/CFALT, A/CGALT, C/CGALT, D/CGALT, C/CBGALT, B/CBGALT, C/CFALT
OHIO
B/CGALT, C/CGALT

LTA Record Holder and 200 Club Member
A/CBFALT, B/CBFALT, C/CBFALT, C/CFALT, C/CGALT,   E/CGALT, E/CFALT

Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Loring 204.109mph

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Re: D Warner can you or someone help me? Class ?
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2008, 07:20:05 PM »
Actually the way it works is that if your electric fuel pump is wired in the same circuit with your coil you don't need a shut off. Turn off the ignition+turn off the fuel pump. But a mechanical fuel pump, Hilborn or other, needs a shut off. Not sure about a stock pump, but I would believe that unless you have a Stock fuel system, you need a shut off. With a positive stop. That last part was aimed at me. I am reading 3.I.1 pade 31. Your best off contacting somebody with some horse power in the association. I'm just guessing.

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Re: D Warner can you or someone help me? Class ?
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2008, 08:40:45 PM »
Rich,

Using a rear (stock location) mounted gas tank, with 1/2" alum fuel line running along fram rails up to near the motor mounts, then hooking to "stock" fuel pump.  How/ where / what kind of fuel shut off?


Do you mean like a valve or petcock ?  (with a lever coming into the drivers compartment )

Never seen a car with stock fuel pump have a shut off..  all my drag cars and such with elec pumps all had shut off "switches" .

Either I am confussed or just brian fried on this one ?  LOL

Charles
ECTA Record Holder Maxton
E/CBFALT, E/CBGALT, E/CGALT, E/CFALT, A/CGALT, C/CGALT, D/CGALT, C/CBGALT, B/CBGALT, C/CFALT
OHIO
B/CGALT, C/CGALT

LTA Record Holder and 200 Club Member
A/CBFALT, B/CBFALT, C/CBFALT, C/CFALT, C/CGALT,   E/CGALT, E/CFALT

Fastest Standing Mile at Ohio  203.343mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Maxton 196.967mph
Fastest Standing 1.5 Mile at Loring 213.624mph
Fastest Standing Mile at Loring 204.109mph

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Re: D Warner can you or someone help me? Class ?
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2008, 08:45:59 PM »
On my cars I have a ball valve (sold by Jegs, Summit and others) between the pump and the metering block. Carburator in your case. That way if the engine runs on or something else shorts to the coil, you can kill it by turning off the fuel. Is yours a stick shift car? If so do you have the fuel line in a safty shield where it passes the clutch/flywheel area? This is in addition to the flywheel safty shield required.
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Re: D Warner can you or someone help me? Class ?
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2008, 08:52:33 PM »
PS Any SCTA people reading this can jump in here any time. And point out to Lee that I am not getting tired out by answering questions to the best of my ability.