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Question: who thinks Athol Graham's crash was hiis fault
I do - 5 (13.2%)
Not me - 7 (18.4%)
Athol Who? - 4 (10.5%)
Doesn't matter he crashed - 19 (50%)
People don't crash cars, cars just crash - 3 (7.9%)
Total Voters: 35

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« on: June 01, 2008, 01:31:29 PM »

Athol Graham's crash may have been caused by his cast magnesium rear wheels disintegrating rather than anything having to do with the construction of the car or the way in which it was driven.

An article on Graham in Bonneville Racing News contained an account of how a metalurgist present at Bonneville examined fragments of Graham's rear wheels and concluded they had been improperly cast. A photo taken of the wreckage plainly shows the condition of the rear wheels.

Several years before Graham's crash, Fred Carillo had almost gotten killed at Bonneville when the cast magnesium wheels on his streamliner disintegrated.


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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2008, 09:31:10 PM »

Athol's car as it was in 1959 when he clocked 344 mph at Bonneville.


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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2008, 10:46:21 AM »

Firsthand eyewitness account of Graham's last run by Griff Borgeson. Graham was under acceleration for about 47 seconds.


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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2008, 05:13:46 PM »

Franklin, I asked you to not post any more text -- and you have gone ahead and done so anyway.  Since you started the topic you can't claim to have put this recent page up to help respond to a query by someone.  Worse still, the text is difficult to expand enough to read, so my site is potentially exposed to legal action (fair use clause notwithstanding) and simultaneously perhaps wasting the time of those that might want to read the page -- and not be able to do so.

Please -- find someplace else to post text.  If you're waiting for me to designate a history section -- keep waiting, don't post your stuff anyway while you wait.  And even once there is such a section -- I still don't want full pages on this site -- perhaps a line or two, excerpted as would be done in a critical review.

This is once.   
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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2008, 11:52:22 PM »

Franklin, I asked you to not post any more text -- and you have gone ahead and done so anyway.  Since you started the topic you can't claim to have put this recent page up to help respond to a query by someone.  Worse still, the text is difficult to expand enough to read, so my site is potentially exposed to legal action (fair use clause notwithstanding) and simultaneously perhaps wasting the time of those that might want to read the page -- and not be able to do so.

Please -- find someplace else to post text.  If you're waiting for me to designate a history section -- keep waiting, don't post your stuff anyway while you wait.  And even once there is such a section -- I still don't want full pages on this site -- perhaps a line or two, excerpted as would be done in a critical review.

This is once.   

I don't know what kind of legal advice you've been getting, but posting a 48 year old article written by a deceased writer and published in a defunct magazine exposes you to no legal action whatsoever. I would be much more concerned about comments made involving living people about current events.
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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2008, 08:02:30 AM »

Franklin, just what part of "I asked you not to post any more text" don't you understand?  I don't need to decide if there might be legal implications -- I just need to remind you that I asked you not to post any more text.  End of subject, okay?  No more text, and please, no more whining.

I guess I'll count this one -- so -- That's twice.
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2008, 11:34:40 AM »

Ya know Slim,
In the mid 1970's the catholic schools in the Detroit area -  in an attempt to speed up highschool baseball -  went to a 3 balls 2 strike rule.  You struck out with 2 strikes!  makes one wonder if you ought to impose Catholic Highschool rules in this situation!

Just me wondering - thats all!

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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2008, 11:40:38 AM »

What would life be without some great mystery in it, Carl?  I guess you'll have to wait and see what perspires.

No, that's not the word, unh, mmm, wait and see what defrabulates.  Yeah, that's it.
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2008, 11:51:14 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2008, 12:29:06 PM »

Quotes by Robert Heinlein:

"A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill."

"I never learned from a man who agreed with me."

"Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done, and why. Then do it."

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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2008, 12:39:28 PM »

Franklin -- I see you've chosen to quote Robert Heinlein, my favorite science fiction author.  I've read all of his stuff -- including the book of quotes from which you've lifted the above stuff. 

My response is that 1:  Heinlein was a fiction writer; and 2:  He's dead.

Advantage Me.
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2008, 12:43:26 PM »

Franklin -- I see you've chosen to quote Robert Heinlein, my favorite science fiction author.  I've read all of his stuff -- including the book of quotes from which you've lifted the above stuff. 

My response is that 1:  Heinlein was a fiction writer; and 2:  He's dead.

Advantage Me.


Heinlein contributed the word "Waldo" to the English language, a word still commonly used today to describe devices for remotely manipulation of hazardous materials such as radioisotopes.

The quotes came from Wikiquotes.
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2008, 12:50:42 PM »

Slim, I thought I mentioned it wasn't fair to match wits with a guy who is only half equipped to do so....  rolleyes

Softball allows 4 fouls... or 2 fouls and a final strike....  shocked
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2008, 12:52:07 PM »

The word "waldo" comes from the name of a character in Heinlein's anthology "Waldo and Magic, Inc."  Waldo was the name of a person that suffered from myasthenia gravis, lived in (what we'd today call a space station), and invented the devices (which, I believe, were more officially called reduplicating pantographs) so that he could do things that "normal" folks can do with arms and hands.

As for from whence the quotes originated -- I stick with my story.  Wikipedia may have found them at the same source -- at least I read them in the original.

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