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Offline Rchop

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Safety wire question
« on: January 16, 2008, 09:48:39 PM »
I was reading the ECTA rules about safety wiring the engine and need a clarification. My engine has an internal oil filter that is accessed through a plate on the side of the engine. The plate is held on by three flush allen socket screws. Does this plate need to be safety wired? If so, can the screws be covered by a keeper plate that is safety wired? Normally I would just try to redesign the plate with bolts that can be drilled for safety wire, but on my bike the front bottom flush screw sets right against the frame.
The plate can be see on the bottom right side of the engine in the pic below.

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Re: Safety wire question
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2008, 01:17:38 AM »
what the heck...that looks like a fricken beemer motor... who in there right mind would race a beemer?
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Re: Safety wire question
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2008, 09:07:52 AM »
what the heck...that looks like a fricken beemer motor... who in there right mind would race a beemer?
kent

Hmmm... I seem to remember a yellow Penske truck that made more runs than a silver and blue streamliner last year :-D :-D :-D



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Re: Safety wire question
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2008, 10:10:13 AM »
When was the last time you saw an oil filter spin off a bike or a car?   :?

RC, looks like you have an engine cover, not an oil filter... Don't tell them and they won't know... stay away from the deep end, there are already a lot of folks gone off there...  :roll: (That was my attempt to write like Jack, how did I do?)
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Re: Safety wire question
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2008, 10:39:13 AM »
When was the last time you saw an oil filter spin off a bike or a car?   :?

RC, looks like you have an engine cover, not an oil filter... Don't tell them and they won't know... stay away from the deep end, there are already a lot of folks gone off there...  :roll: (That was my attempt to write like Jack, how did I do?)

LOL. you almost had me fooled there!
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Re: Safety wire question
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2008, 10:51:40 AM »
Great looking bike.I used to have a BMW repair shop and road race a beemer.If I can ever help you with any thing feel free to ask.My road racer was pretty fast. Wish I knew as much about Busa's as I do BMW's.
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Re: Safety wire question
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2008, 11:00:15 AM »
Wish I knew as much about Busa's as I do BMW's.

Fred, busas are easy, Suzuki did 90% of the performance work, just need to be careful that the 10% you plan to improve doesn't decrease HP or aero...  :roll:
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Re: Safety wire question
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2008, 11:16:06 AM »
Thanks Fred, I'm sure I will take you up on your offer sometime.
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Re: Safety wire question
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2008, 12:28:34 PM »
oil filters absolutely spin off... a racer died at Willow springs a few years ago when his filter came off in turn 8... i have had several filters blow the coining out from 2 much pressure...they wont take more than 80psi

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Re: Safety wire question
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2008, 12:41:15 PM »
And there was the time that I was on the return run at Bonneville, after having changed the oil in impound.  I (evidently) didn't tighten the filter enough, and when I was about halfway down the course, on the nitrous button, the loose filter spun part way off, allowing the oil to go away.  About five-ten seconds is how long the engine lasted after that.  If I had had safety wire on the filter the cannister might still have been loose -- but most likely wouldn't have worked so loose that the oil got out quickly.

I now vote for wired oil filters each and every time.
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Re: Safety wire question
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2008, 01:09:16 PM »
Hey S.S.S., I'll say it again.  RUN ONLY SYNTHETIC OIL.  I too had a spin on filter gasket blow out at about 225mph with my lead footed girl friend driving and dumped about 4 quarts right onto the headers.  And NO FIRE.  It was Amsoil Synthetic, and when I Googled flash points of various oils I found it was like 620 degrees F.  Some mineral oils were under 400 so I'll go with the extra margin of safety thank you very much.

I guess having an "oil pressure light" wired to your ignition switch/NOS switch just might be an extra layer of complication worth having.

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Re: Safety wire question
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2008, 02:18:28 PM »
And there was the time that I was on the return run at Bonneville, after having changed the oil in impound.  I (evidently) didn't tighten the filter enough, and when I was about halfway down the course, on the nitrous button, the loose filter spun part way off, allowing the oil to go away.  About five-ten seconds is how long the engine lasted after that.  If I had had safety wire on the filter the cannister might still have been loose -- but most likely wouldn't have worked so loose that the oil got out quickly.

I now vote for wired oil filters each and every time.

Slim, I didn't know you were mechanically inclined enough to change your own oil...  :roll:  Now I know you are mechanically reclined...  :-D
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Re: Safety wire question
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2008, 02:45:16 PM »
These are all great responses and thanks, but my original question still goes un-answered. I don't have a spin on oil filter. My cartridge type filter sets inside the engine behind this plate. Will this plate be considered an engine access plate or will it be considered differently during tech inspection?
Perhaps contact info for an ECTA tech inspector would help.

Thanks,
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Re: Safety wire question
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2008, 02:51:07 PM »
Now that we have all had some fun, PM Narider, I think Todd is an ECTA inspector, but the rule was written for external filters.
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Re: Safety wire question
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2008, 02:56:32 PM »
Now that we have all had some fun, PM Narider, I think Todd is an ECTA inspector, but the rule was written for external filters.

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