e85 question

[Dean Los Angeles]

heck, they might even start E85 racing classes

Just what we need is more classes. Running E85 is about politics, not racing. It runs in the fuel class, not gas. It isn't gasoline and never will be.

There are tons of alternative fuels, and the fuel class is where they belong.

The gasoline class only exists because it's what cars run on. The fact that fuels have evolved doesn't mean they should be incorporated into racing. Event gas was the smartest thing they ever did to eliminate hundreds of hours of work trying to keep everybody on the same level by testing to eliminate cheaters.

Nascar still runs carburetors even though they disappeared long ago. It's about racing, dammit.

[Seldom Seen Slim]

I don't know/remember the name of the guys or their firm -- but they provide Sunoco fuels in assorted flavors.  I know Keith's out of the office today -- but maybe he'll see a computer and see this question and answer it, or maybe someone else that knows more than me (and that's a pretty big bunch of folks) will answer your query.

[jrproflo]

Slim,

Thanks. Knowing it was Sunoco is a help. We ran his 100 octane in my sons small bore 2 stroke with okay results. I liked it better than the 110 cut 50/50 with 92 pump that we use at home.

John

[1212FBGS]

if your motor is tuned to run 89 i wouldnt put 100 in it...we tested fuels in one of my vintage Gilera's, it made 11hp on pump and 9hp on race gas... the higher octane race gas burned to slow... combustion shape and cam wouldnt handle more advance....i have found that stock motors like lower octane. when i was racing 50cc 2 strokes in a production class back in the late 80's i was smoking 'um... they tore my ass down every race looking for modificatons... i told everyone of em i was using "Trick racing fuel" and so they did...glad none of 'um saw me filling up my race jug up at the local gas station....LOL

[Sumner]

if your motor is tuned to run 89 i wouldn't put 100 in it...we tested fuels in one of my vintage Gilera's, it made 11hp on pump and 9hp on race gas... the higher octane race gas burned to slow... combustion shape and cam wouldn't handle more advance....i have found that stock motors like lower octane.............LOL

Kent that is one of the hardest things some people have excepting.   Since it is "Race gas" it has to make more HP.  Wrong. 

I was talking to a friend the other day that has an older Z car.  He said they put some 110 octane race gas in it once and it would out run anything.  I just kept my mouth shut  .

You see it all the time when people have production cars that run just fine on 86/87 octane and they think with no other change than filling up with 91/93 octane they will make more power.

Hey more power to you on getting that streamliner done.  I'm going to see if I can go see it if I go through Iowa in late spring, so quit admiring it and pack it up and send it there,

Sum

[jrproflo]

>>if your motor is tuned to run 89 i wouldnt put 100 in it <<


neither would I

[team_cougar]

I'm just trying to address the issue of using the track's designated fuel, rather than put sand in someone's nether regions for wanting to run E85 in an E85 class.

With a motor tuned to run on E85, the 87 octane is one of the better alternatives after you tune the motor back for gas. But, I can also tune for 100 at the track. It's easier to tune for 100 from 87 than vice versa. The 8.5: 1 compression ratio of the 429 is much more forgiving.
If I give up a few hp, then so be it. I'm not overly concerned since I'm primarily in it this year for the experience and not worried about being competitive.

But, E85 is coming on strong with a lot of racers as a fuel. ECTA may want to consider creating an E85 class. But, that's up to them.
It's their sandbox. I just want to play.

[John@JE Pistons]

when i was racing 50cc 2 strokes in a production class back in the late 80's

Sounds like a monkey and a football story, imagine Kent on a  50cc bike..

[fredvance]

Does anybody know the part# for the ERC unleaded gas they bring to Bonneville?

[Sumner]

Does anybody know the part# for the ERC unleaded gas they bring to Bonneville?

Go to my links page:

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar/bvillelinks.htm#Land20

Then "Misc",

Sum

[Stainless1]

Does anybody know the part# for the ERC unleaded gas they bring to Bonneville?

It is called MULA, currently running the leftover in my mower.....

[1212FBGS]

MULA=not legal for "gas" class.....
kent

[willieworld]

my memory isnt that good but i think i ran mula at bonneville bought it from rick --then put the gas for my generator in and went 4 mph faster  go figure  willie buchta

[Stainless1]

MULA=not legal for "gas" class.....
kent

Kent it has been legal for the last 2 years on the bike as well as the car..... at Bonneville events, can't speak for EM....

[dwarner]

Scott,

With your history, more than likely yes.

DW