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Offline Rex Schimmer

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Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
« Reply #2565 on: August 31, 2020, 01:49:56 PM »
I have seen way to much of the inside of your motor!! That is real "comprehensive" destruction.

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Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
« Reply #2566 on: August 31, 2020, 02:48:00 PM »
I have seen way to much of the inside of your motor!! That is real "comprehensive" destruction.

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 Found a very pinched fuel line which could have caused problem. It was under the air intake elbow.

  Our fuel lines are setup and split so that one fuel line goes to bottom fuel rail on left and to top rail  on right and the other line to top left and bottom right.  So just pinching 1/2 of the lines but still not good.
 
  On warm up when tweaking the throttle, I said it doesn't feel as responsive as usual.
 
 Pinched line could be the culprit?

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Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
« Reply #2567 on: September 06, 2020, 04:33:58 PM »
The cam.  Should buff out :friday





Crank is out, bearing didn't look too bad.



Time to get these sleeves out.  What a pain in the butt that was!  My forearms and shoulders are sore today!







At least we have some pieces to work with.... :clap


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Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
« Reply #2568 on: September 16, 2020, 02:10:09 PM »
We took our old AA block apart to see what it looks like. 



We took our Bebe hone to the cylinders to clean up the top for easier extraction.



Cylinder walls look pretty goods.




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Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
« Reply #2569 on: September 16, 2020, 03:19:27 PM »
Pistons look good



Crank turned over real easy by hand and bearings look good too.



I had a break at the dental office.  Getting work done now.  Lol

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Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
« Reply #2570 on: September 16, 2020, 03:23:16 PM »
 
  The AA motor has been sitting in the shop for 13 yrs and covered with a blanket, it's hard to remember exactly.

  looks like it was ready to run but wasn't because I bought the Stage 8 block.

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Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
« Reply #2571 on: September 16, 2020, 03:29:35 PM »
  I have the same NASCAR Goodyears you are using. How much tire growth do you see? On my land speed 25's I use 25.7 as a number the GY engineer gave me. I am mounting these on an 8" rim.  Thanks  George

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Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
« Reply #2572 on: September 16, 2020, 05:03:11 PM »

  Growth is hard to measure I figure 1'' on the conservative side  But years ago when I went thru
the exit speed trap at 272 mph  I had to figure 11/2'' to match the tack speed.
 Ir could be more. leave plenty of room for growth.

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Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
« Reply #2573 on: September 16, 2020, 07:07:18 PM »
  Thanks for the info, just what I was hoping for. By the way I ran TAD for many years and saw up to 46 lbs. boost and could never see the impressive carnage that you experienced. I'd be checking the cam for straight. :-P :-P

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Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
« Reply #2574 on: September 16, 2020, 11:25:37 PM »
  Cam turned freely in block before removing. Its a large journal cam made out of high dollar material and makes the cam out of our 528 egine look wimpy. Really hard stuff that top fuel uses.
 Hope Crane cams can polish it up.

 528 engine had whole left front blown off and welded back.

 Tires... being conservative with 1 in growth was for interring data into my Bville Pro computer program which calculates speed at rpms.

  What car and class are you running?

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Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
« Reply #2575 on: September 20, 2020, 02:54:06 PM »
  Troy pressure washed the 528 block and I bb honed the cyls. Some look ify. We'll take the block to Steve Moodie's shop and see if he can hone it for the 4.310 Ross pistons that we have, if not we'll
replace the sleeves  with 4.25 sleeves and bore to 4.310.

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Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
« Reply #2576 on: September 20, 2020, 05:23:35 PM »
Tire growth: 

My late friend John Horsman was the chief engineer of John Wyer Automotive Engineering when they ran Ford GT40s and Porsche 917s in endurance racing (Le Mans, Spa, Monza, etc). He told me that he used the figure of 4% tire expansion at 200 mph in his calculations. This was for bias-ply tires which were standard at that time.
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Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
« Reply #2577 on: March 03, 2021, 02:38:28 PM »

  Block is at Moody's shop wait to measure cyls and pistons to see if they can hone them without to much clearance. Also head waiting for ding to be welded up and seat ground.
 If to much clearance for the 4.310 pistons we have 4.25 sleeves to install and bore to 4.310.
 
  So running AA/BG ALT instead of A, record is 240+.

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Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
« Reply #2578 on: June 04, 2021, 09:21:38 PM »
  Things have changed. Decided to stay in A instead of AA because we have 4 new 4.25 top fuel pistons and several used good ones. After comparing the 4,25 t0 the 4.310 we had to go with the top fuels. Then found cracks in both heads  :cry: New heads should be hear soon. So new rods and pins but not top fuel this time as Bill Millers new top fuel rods require bolts to be not torqued before ready to run loosen after running not sitting more than a week
 So if we started the motor or ran it on the dyno we would have to drain the oil pull the pan loosen the bolts and start over again. BIG PAIN IN THE ASS for us So Bill said the regular 426 hemi rods would be just fine and not have to loosen bolts. Also ordered cam with same specs from Bullet Cans, shipping next week. But wait there's more a Dan Olsen oil pan only $750 but no shipping as his shop is in Clovis not far away.
 Also nobody has rod bearings for a 426 Hemi but we always replace them when engine is apart
and save the old ones I have 3 new sets and several good used ones.
 Block is bored and honed just waiting for ring fitting.
  Will start assembling motor sat after this unless engine needs to be rebalanced as rods are
lighter. Will find out how much and see.

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Re: Getting ready for Bonneville(rebuild)
« Reply #2579 on: June 19, 2021, 06:52:55 PM »
  IST of all BUILD DAIRIES menu doesn't come up on my computer? I go to the Midget post and click build dairies at top of screen and it comes up.

  Anyhow block will be ready Monday but still waiting for cam and rods. Cam next week, maybe rods, then balanced.

  Heads are all assembled with alloy seats and have the best port job we have ever had.

  Intake manifold is together with all 16 injectors and gaskets clued on. Just have to trim a little to match ports tomorrow.

  Picked up beautiful OLSON pan and was surprised by $100 discount  :-D  Maybe because were local.

  Troy coming early tomorrow to install fire bottles to beat heat. 105 today, better than 111 in Fresno.

 So car is ready just waiting on engine  but hopefully ready to assemble by the 1st


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